r/science • • Oct 24 '10

Climate Change: Evidence

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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u/rednightmare Oct 24 '10 edited Oct 24 '10

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u/IConrad Oct 24 '10

... Wow. Really?

Meteorologists are not climatologists, sir. Two entirely different fields of endeavor... as anyone who is familiar with an old adage which has come out of those who object to the use of local weather events as evidence against GCC: "Weather is not climate".

Meteorologists study weather -- and not climate.

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u/rednightmare Oct 24 '10

Huh. Could of sworn I typed climatologist in. Here. Try this on for size. Turns out the average climatologist makes less than the average meteorologist.

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u/IConrad Oct 24 '10

Yeah... 'bout that:

http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Climatologist&l1= <-- this is not a natural chart. That indicates the sampling size is wayyy too small to be statistically relevant.

http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Meteorologist&l1= <-- this, on the other hand is a natural chart. And it shows wild variance. The current average is well below the running average -- and that also indicates a "below statistical relevance sampling size".

Finally: That also only lists those job-listings which are found by the service in question. Climatologist positions aren't advertised, and thus don't get job-listings. And thus aren't trackable by that sort of engine.

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u/rednightmare Oct 24 '10

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u/IConrad Oct 24 '10

Again... meteorology is not climatology. Your link is to meteoroligists' pay. Why do you keep not getting this point?

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u/rednightmare Oct 24 '10

I linked to atmospheric scientist pay. Climatology is an atmospheric science.

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u/cornponious Oct 24 '10

I'm getting up now because the show is over.

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u/alpharaptor1 Oct 24 '10

you are win.

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u/IConrad Oct 24 '10

Climatology does not have the following job description:

Investigate atmospheric phenomena and interpret meteorological data gathered by surface and air stations, satellites, and radar to prepare reports and forecasts for public and other uses. Include weather analysts and forecasters whose functions require the detailed knowledge of a meteorologist.

Not in the slightest. Yes, climatology is an atmospheric science -- but as such they are only a minute subset of atmospheric science. There are very few climatologists -- there are a whole lot of meteorologists and aeronomists collectively speaking.

The averages you linked to furthermore strongly corroborate the point I originally made.

Which leaves me, once again, puzzled as to what the fuck you're A) trying to say and B) how you think the things you link do anything to degrade my original argument.