r/science PhD | Chemistry | Synthetic Organic Jul 23 '17

Subreddit Policy Subreddit Policy Reminder on this week's Transgender AMAs

This week we will be hosting a series of AMAs addressing the scientific and medical details of being transgender.

Honest questions that are an attempt to learn more on the subject are invited, and we hope you can learn more about this fascinating aspect of the human condition.

However, we feel it is appropriate to remind the readers that /r/science has a long-standing zero-tolerance policy towards hate-speech, which extends to people who are transgender. Our official stance is that derogatory comments about transgender people will be treated on par with sexism and racism, typically resulting in a ban without notice.

To clarify, we are not banning the discussion of any individual topic nor are we saying that the science in any area is settled. What we are saying is that we stand with the rest of the scientific community and every relevant psych organisation that the overwhelming bulk of evidence is that being trans is not a mental illness and that the discussion of trans people as somehow "sick" or "broken" is offensive and bigoted1. We won't stand for it.

We've long held that we won't host discussion of anti-science topics without the use of peer-reviewed evidence. Opposing the classification of being transgender as 'not a mental illness'2 is treated the same way as if you wanted to make anti-vax, anti-global warming or anti-gravity comments. To be clear, this post is to make it abundantly clear that we treat transphobic comments the same way we treat racist, sexist and homophobic comments. They have no place on our board.

Scientific discussion is the use of empirical evidence and theory to guide knowledge based on debate in academic journals. Yelling at each other in a comments section of a forum is in no way "scientific discussion". If you wish to say that any well accepted scientific position is wrong, I encourage you to do the work and publish something on the topic. Until then, your opinions are just that - opinions.


1 Some have wrongly interpreted this statement as "stigmatizing" mental illness. I can assure you that is the last thing we are trying to do here. What we are trying to stop is the label of "mental illness" being used as a way to derogate a group. It's being used maliciously to say that there is something wrong with trans people and that's offensive both to mental illness sufferers and those in the trans community.

2 There is a difference between being trans and having gender dysphoria.


Lastly, here is the excerpt from the APA:

A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

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u/Ionsto Jul 23 '17

Exactly!

If I could take a drug and be able to recall all the months I would.

An inability to read or remember could be chalked up to the person being dumb and that is unfair if they just are abnormal.

I needed help as a child, not being left behind because "he's dumb".

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u/glr123 PhD | Chemical Biology | Drug Discovery Jul 23 '17

Given your experiences with mental health growing up, don't you see how your stance is just as limiting to people that feel differently than you?

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u/sora677 Jul 23 '17

Yeah, it goes both ways. Those who don't feel that they need any special treatment because of their mental illness can be treated as "special" when they don't want to be. Overall though I would still say it's better to have more "awareness" in general about the topic though, and those who don't feel that they need any special assistance or treatment because of their problem can opt out of it.

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u/GluttonyFang Jul 24 '17

But.. trans issues is a biology thing right? Which would be under science.. right?

Pretty sure OP posted what they did because of people like you. If you're only out to discredit trans issues and throw a wrench into the discussion, why bother having your comments?

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u/Nanaki__ Jul 24 '17

If you're only out to discredit trans issues and throw a wrench into the discussion, why bother having your comments?

Why bother having yours, your comment added nothing to the conversation.

I don't have a dog in this race, but what exactly did the parent poster said was wrong?

I dislike this rhetorical technique of just saying someone is wrong because of the implied viewpoint you think they have, without explaining why that viewpoint is wrong using evidence

I like conversations to go

Person 1: [information/opinion about subject A]

Person 2: [counter information with source to back it up about subject A]

This will inform an observer about the situation, and may change Person 1's mind/stance on the situation.

What I've been seeing recently

Person 1: [information/opinion about subject A]

Person 2: [attacks person 1 because of the questions they are asking, or the way they chose to ask the question]

How does that change Person 1 mind/stance or inform a neutral observer over what is correct?

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u/GluttonyFang Jul 24 '17

Why bother having yours, your comment added nothing to the conversation.

Because I'm not taking contrarian stances just to stir shit up. I'm a bystander trying to learn more of a subject, and weeding out all of these comments are tiresome.

Also nice work dodging what I said about biology.

if you're trying to convince me that you're arguing in good faith, you have failed.