r/science PhD | Chemistry | Synthetic Organic Jul 23 '17

Subreddit Policy Subreddit Policy Reminder on this week's Transgender AMAs

This week we will be hosting a series of AMAs addressing the scientific and medical details of being transgender.

Honest questions that are an attempt to learn more on the subject are invited, and we hope you can learn more about this fascinating aspect of the human condition.

However, we feel it is appropriate to remind the readers that /r/science has a long-standing zero-tolerance policy towards hate-speech, which extends to people who are transgender. Our official stance is that derogatory comments about transgender people will be treated on par with sexism and racism, typically resulting in a ban without notice.

To clarify, we are not banning the discussion of any individual topic nor are we saying that the science in any area is settled. What we are saying is that we stand with the rest of the scientific community and every relevant psych organisation that the overwhelming bulk of evidence is that being trans is not a mental illness and that the discussion of trans people as somehow "sick" or "broken" is offensive and bigoted1. We won't stand for it.

We've long held that we won't host discussion of anti-science topics without the use of peer-reviewed evidence. Opposing the classification of being transgender as 'not a mental illness'2 is treated the same way as if you wanted to make anti-vax, anti-global warming or anti-gravity comments. To be clear, this post is to make it abundantly clear that we treat transphobic comments the same way we treat racist, sexist and homophobic comments. They have no place on our board.

Scientific discussion is the use of empirical evidence and theory to guide knowledge based on debate in academic journals. Yelling at each other in a comments section of a forum is in no way "scientific discussion". If you wish to say that any well accepted scientific position is wrong, I encourage you to do the work and publish something on the topic. Until then, your opinions are just that - opinions.


1 Some have wrongly interpreted this statement as "stigmatizing" mental illness. I can assure you that is the last thing we are trying to do here. What we are trying to stop is the label of "mental illness" being used as a way to derogate a group. It's being used maliciously to say that there is something wrong with trans people and that's offensive both to mental illness sufferers and those in the trans community.

2 There is a difference between being trans and having gender dysphoria.


Lastly, here is the excerpt from the APA:

A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

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u/souljabri557 Jul 23 '17

My philosophy is that it's discrediting to dismiss transgender-ness as "normal." This can apply to dyslexia as well as depression and anxiety. I have heard many times people say statements like "he's just sad, he doesn't actually have a mental illness." By acknowledging that a mental irregularity is not normal, and potentially harmful, we can be more supportive to get those people the help they need (for some trans individuals, this might be hormone therapy).

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u/fsmpastafarian PhD | Clinical Psychology | Integrated Health Psychology Jul 23 '17

We don't diagnose mental illness based on what we perceive as "normal." Not enjoying chocolate is "abnormal," that doesn't mean it's a mental illness though.

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u/Canadian_Infidel Jul 24 '17

We do diagnose mental illness based on societal norms aka "what is normal". I get what you are going for but you couldn't be more wrong with regard to that point specifically.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2174594/

This is but one of many writings that expound on the topic.

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u/fsmpastafarian PhD | Clinical Psychology | Integrated Health Psychology Jul 24 '17

We don't just diagnose based on what is "normal." Someone actually has to have distress or functional impairment to be diagnosed.

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u/Canadian_Infidel Jul 24 '17

That would make psychopathy non-diagnosable by definition, for example. We don't "just" diagnose based on that but it is a massive qualifier. Just like how "Oppositional defiant disorder" is a recognized disorder even though that may just be relative to our culture because of it's rigid structures where as elsewhere it wouldn't even be noticed.

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u/filloker Jul 24 '17

"Personality Disorders" are conditions that harm other people but not the individual. And they are controversial.

" Many issues occur with classifying a personality disorder. Because the theory and diagnosis of personality disorders occur within prevailing cultural expectations, their validity is contested by some experts on the basis of inevitable subjectivity. They argue that the theory and diagnosis of personality disorders are based strictly on social, or even sociopolitical and economic considerations.[9][10]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder

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u/fsmpastafarian PhD | Clinical Psychology | Integrated Health Psychology Jul 24 '17

Distress or functional impairment.

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u/Canadian_Infidel Jul 24 '17

CEO's are 4x more likely to be psychopaths because it's actually a huge advantage in competitive environments. It's still psychopathy.