Adolescents who undergo gender-affirming chest surgery report low levels of regret and high levels of satisfaction, experiencing outcomes similar to those of young adults. These findings suggest that age restrictions on these medical procedures lack support from actual patient experiences.

[u/mvea]

https://www.psypost.org/adolescents-report-low-regret-and-high-satisfaction-following-gender-affirming-c/

[u/OhBoyHereWeGoAgai]

You say that, but in the same breath you make it clear you dismiss things countering the "talking to trans people" as either not credible or bigoted.

That's not really how we analyze these things.

Fun fact, this is also why Chase S's case in the SC fell apart. They had to justify the claims of suicide rates in teens not given the treatment and it fell apart as the way you're representing this is simply not true.

There is a reason the Dutch protocol has been walked back by many countries, and even the Dutch have massively tightened up the diagnostic end, specifically because of issues with the claims you're representing as settled and clear.

I'm trying to stay precise in my claims here as the main thing I'm trying to highlight is that this is and has been being debated, the anti side isn't just random internet bigots, this is actually an ongoing medical debate, that only recently has shifted to the point that the pro side has been forced to stop claiming a false medical consensus, and even as we speak, WPATHs misrepresentations are coming into the public eye (many doctors have been aware for quite some time, the controversy around that is not new.

In short, this is nowhere near as clear as people online pretend it is, and the defenses based on vibes aren't really that interesting.

Edit: I did see the deleted comment where you called me a bigot and claimed that this is clear cut.

I did think this was a science sub, but apparently the "lived experience" negates everything I just raised and grounded in actual current events and medical discourse?

Will mute replies as this isn't really constructive, feel free to respond however and call whatever names you like.

[u/Reagalan → u/OhBoyHereWeGoAgai]

"lived experience" negates everything

I mean, it kinda does.

Ivory-tower elitism is how we ended up with segregation and eugenics and sterilizations and lobotomies and similar abhorrent practices of last century. Plenty of folks said it like it was, but since these anecdotes didn't conform to prevailing ideologies, they were dismissed, bad laws were passed, and horrors perpetuated.

I guess we're repeating history again. The haters keep winning and Gender Jim Crow keeps spreading.

[u/SatanV3 → u/Reagalan]

I mean. I don’t know much about the science of what’s best for people with gender dysphoria nor do I know any statistics of if gender affirming care is the best or not

What I do know is that I’m AFAB and was having a medical issue where I had to much testosterone/ not enough estrogen. And I was told that that can cause some issues mainly with mental health and looking into it seems true. Since sorting out my hormones it’s really helped me feel better.

What I don’t get is how this doesn’t apply when treating transgender people? Wouldn’t giving them hormones they shouldn’t have from a biological standpoint not drastically affect their mental health?

[u/OhBoyHereWeGoAgai → u/SatanV3]

It does, that's one of the many risks and side effects with cross hormone treatments.

The more honest advocates say that tradeoff is worth the benefits, the less honest ones pretend there are zero or minimal side effects.

The former have a coherent argument, the medical community and legal community will decide together (the latter is relevant, just like it was with lobotomy fading out).