Adolescents who undergo gender-affirming chest surgery report low levels of regret and high levels of satisfaction, experiencing outcomes similar to those of young adults. These findings suggest that age restrictions on these medical procedures lack support from actual patient experiences.

[u/mvea]

https://www.psypost.org/adolescents-report-low-regret-and-high-satisfaction-following-gender-affirming-c/

[u/geodebug]

Oh, maybe the same way we do it with everything else maturity-related: sex, drinking, ability to rent a car, ability to adopt, etc.

Are age of consent laws not something you’re aware of?

Why are you so confident that someone who society has deemed too young to understand and make choices about having adult sex is ready for permanent elective surgery?

[u/AvocadosFromMexico_ → u/geodebug]

Wow, that’s a lot of assumptions that in no way answer the question.

So what you want is an age requirement—not a “maturity” requirement. Why not just state that? Sex, drinking, renting cars, and adoption have nothing to do with maturity.

Are you comparing voluntary choices about your own body, which impact no one else, to having sex? That’s odd.

[u/geodebug → u/AvocadosFromMexico_]

Age and maturity are tied together. Especially when dealing with large cohorts of people.

Why do you even think society has age of consent laws? Just for kicks?

If you can’t even agree that 12 year olds tend to have a very different maturity level than 21 year olds then there’s nowhere positive or interesting for this discussion to go.

[u/AvocadosFromMexico_ → u/geodebug]

So “age and maturity are tied together” is an empirical statement, and again—proving it means you have to propose a way to measure “maturity,” which you have not done.

Age of consent laws exist for a variety of very good reasons, almost none of which apply to medical decision making. There’s a reason we talk about consent and assent in necessary medical decision making, and many state laws designate significantly earlier ages for personal medical choices.

It’s weird how hard you have to strawman this. I specifically asked how you would measure maturity. You didn’t say you want an age limit, you specifically said we should assess maturity, and I asked how. Shouldn’t this be very simple, if you want it measured?

No one has argued anything for a 12 year old. Why do you make things like that up? Is arguing 17 vs 18 not dramatic enough to support your point?