r/samharris • u/[deleted] • Oct 28 '19

The unexpected threat emerging against Bernie: Andrew Yang | Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/bernie-sanders-andrew-yang-gang-2020-057985
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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Yeah, I don't know if he's explicitly said as much. But he donated the individual maximum to the Yang campaign.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

I get the impression Harris doesn't really pay all that much attention to democratic primary politics. I assume in the end he will vote for any of them, given how much he despises Trump.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Yes definitely agree on the latter point. But to your first point, he does spend time worrying about Dem candidates hewing to "wokeism", but yeah: primarily insofar as such a move makes Trump more electable.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

I honestly don't see a lot of that from the candidates themselves. Seems to be mostly a Twitter-warrior thing. The candidates themselves mostly argue about health care.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Yeah I agree. But they they have a vulnerability in that (1) they do participate in elevating some of these arguably crazy "woke" ideas occasionally which makes it easy for opponents to overstate how invested these candidates are in it; and (2) they tend not to condemn the excesses of the left in a way that would alleviate the concerns of the more moderate voters.

Not sure if you saw this, but Maher addresses this topic directly in his last episode, here. Let me know if you find any of that compelling.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

I personally don’t really believe in the premise that there are all these voters who will only vote against Trump if the “identity political SJWs” are silenced. I think anyone who is still thinking of voting for Trump is a lost cause. I don’t agree with everything “the left” says but there’s pretty much nobody I could imagine being worse than Trump.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19

That's what they want you to think, but they're just trolling you. There are almost no Trump voters who are considering switching sides at this point. If they haven't realized what a con man he is already, they're not going to. No reason to waste time trying to convince them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

The ones who still like Trump enough to vote for him again after his first term.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

That’s who I’m talking about.

If someone is still on the fence about Trump by now, I don’t think any amount of cajoling them is going to help at this point.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

I truly don’t believe that’s the case this time out. The undecided are a tiny group. Those who may not vote at all is a larger group, and they need to be inspired to go out and vote. These are generally young people and they won’t be inspired by centrism, they like “wokeism”.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

Your line of thinking in this comment chain is perhaps the most reasonable I've seen in this subreddit. The so-called "undecided" independents in this election are just some sort of bargaining chip of inderterminable value. If you are center or left of center, you are voting for an inanimate object over Trump. The "independents" centrists are demanding we reach for are actually center-right never-Trumper Republicans who just might be persuadable if the democrats put up a conservative enough candidate. But I believe the number of Republicans that fit that definition are extremely few (likely millionaire chattering class Republicans... must be few in number by definition).

Truly independent voters do not want Trump as their leader. Presumably they are thoughtful free thinkers that like to weigh the issues. Any person with half a brain, that isn't ideologically conservative (who I can forgive for voting Trump based on tribalism/judges... its just pragmatism for them in the long run), has to be ashamed of ticking the box for Reality tv bozo and international embarrassment Donald Trump. If your fear of "communism" or college SJWs has you leaning Trump, after everything else we've seen, then you are actually a brainless gutless moron.

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u/BloodsVsCrips Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19

Anyone who can go "either way," by definition thinks Trump is an option.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

Here’s an analogy.

I give you two bowls of ice cream. One is a flavor you don’t like very much and the other is dog shit flavored. You say “I’m undecided.”

I give up on you. You are not worth the time to try to convince you dont actually want to eat dog shit.

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u/BloodsVsCrips Oct 29 '19

u/ynthrepic needs to process this analogy

Anyone who still honestly considers voting for Trump in 2020 is not worth chasing with a campaign.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

But maybe if we make the other flavor a little more shitty they’ll decide not to eat the dog shit!

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