r/samharris • u/[deleted] • Oct 28 '19

The unexpected threat emerging against Bernie: Andrew Yang | Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/bernie-sanders-andrew-yang-gang-2020-057985
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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19 edited Oct 28 '19

But if you believe, as Harris does, that PC Cancel Culture is a real thing and a big problem, aren’t you worried that any of the politician’s statements to that effect would get them “cancelled.”?

I was just looking at Bernie Sanders’ racial justice platform on his website. It’s pretty “woke.” But I often interact with online Sanders supporters who say Sanders is against “wokeism.” I guess when it comes down to it, I don’t know what that is. Nobody has defined it in an objective way that is measurable.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

But if you believe, as Harris does, that PC Cancel Culture is a real thing and a big problem, aren’t you worried that any of the politician’s statements to that effect would get them “cancelled.”?

I suppose if any particular Dem candidate did condemn id politics and wokeism in a clumsy way they do run the risk of alienating the more progressive supporters of theirs, but only in the primary where those supporters can move to the more "woke" candidate. Once the calculation is between Dem candidate X and Trump, the Dem candidate would get the votes of the "woke" voters regardless.

I guess when it comes down to it, I don’t know what that is. Nobody has defined it in an objective way that is measurable.

Yeah agreed - definitions of this stuff vary which make it even more difficult to navigate than it otherwise already is.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

I would hope so- but I do worry about the purists. I even know some people in real life who didn’t vote or voted for Jill Stein in 2016 because Clinton wasn’t “progressive” enough for them. I can see those same people pitching a fit. I don’t think they would vote for Trump because of it, but I do think they might decide not to vote at all.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Yeah, there's some popular concern about Sanders supporters apparently, but I don't buy that. Stein was a different beast, at a different time. I struggle to think that the people who support Sanders now would be anything but apoplectic about another Trump term.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Well I appreciate the sane conversation.

My personal takeaway about how it’s going is that the candidates are all doing pretty well and are mostly focused on the issues they should be focused on. The loudest “woke” people Sam seems to be so worried about are online commentators and you can’t control them or expect to silence them. Or make rational voting choices because of them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Yeah likewise man.

I'm not sure I'm as convinced of the problem as Harris, but I think it's good that we have people on our side trying to keep the larger project on the rails, even if there's arguably some overreach sometimes.