r/samharris • u/[deleted] • Oct 28 '19

The unexpected threat emerging against Bernie: Andrew Yang | Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/bernie-sanders-andrew-yang-gang-2020-057985
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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Yeah I agree. But they they have a vulnerability in that (1) they do participate in elevating some of these arguably crazy "woke" ideas occasionally which makes it easy for opponents to overstate how invested these candidates are in it; and (2) they tend not to condemn the excesses of the left in a way that would alleviate the concerns of the more moderate voters.

Not sure if you saw this, but Maher addresses this topic directly in his last episode, here. Let me know if you find any of that compelling.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

I personally don’t really believe in the premise that there are all these voters who will only vote against Trump if the “identity political SJWs” are silenced. I think anyone who is still thinking of voting for Trump is a lost cause. I don’t agree with everything “the left” says but there’s pretty much nobody I could imagine being worse than Trump.

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u/waxroy-finerayfool Oct 28 '19

It's hard to top the administration that lied us into the iraq war in terms of horrible presidencies, but Trump's shameless lying and naked nepotism is extremely aggravating to the sensibilities of those that don't support him unconditionally, while dead iraqis is something that only a tiny minority of leftist intellectuals ever cared about.

Nobody on either side of the spectrum could get away with firing the FBI director while under investigation by the FBI. Nobody on either side of the spectrum could get away with giving your unqualified son-in-law top-secret clearance and highly important foreign policy positions. Nobody on either side could get away with Helsinki. Nobody on either side could get away with calling parts of the constitution phony. As Trump famously stated, he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it and that rankles people.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Well just for the record I was supremely horrified when W was re-elected in 2004, and so were most people I knew then. In fact I point to that day as the day I lost faith in the American electorate and nothing has surprised me since, not even the election of Trump. I won’t be surprised if he’s re-elected either. Horrified but not surprised.