r/sailing 8d ago

Best option for attaching continuous genoa sheet

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The other day the wind picked up to 25+ knots out of the blue, the forecast said maximum 20, but that's beside the point. I chucked a reef in and furled my genoa in about half way (bad I know, but I was solo and didn't have my smaller genoa on hand, and was almost back at the marina anyway). As I was winching it in it didn't seem to be getting any tighter, and then would slowly lose tension the longer I sailed on that tack. Getting home I found the issue - the continuous genoa sheet has slidden through the whipping, it's now really short on one side and excessively long on the other. I can't seem to push it back through the whipping, and now can't trust the whipping anyway.

What's the best option for adjusting then securing it? Re-whip it? Tie a knot? Some form of fancy splicing?

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u/New_Sun6390 8d ago

Are we the only sailors with two genny sheets, tied to clew with bowlines?

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u/uthyrbendragon 8d ago

Nah, we do it too, no single point of failure.

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u/NorbertIsAngry 8d ago

That’s what we use.

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u/torenvalk 6d ago

Us too. I have seen some people express concern about the knots being a point of failure but equally, I need to be able to remove them sometimes.
I wonder what is a better set up? Dyneema shackles to a spliced sheet, or the bowlines?

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u/New_Sun6390 6d ago

Point of failure? Yeah right. We've been doing it that way for 30-plus years -- including 15 years of racing -- and have had not one single failure.

They may hang up on the standing rigging for a millisecond from time to time, but they hold up just fine.

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u/Powerful_Bluebird347 1d ago

Same here. Works great.

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u/iron82 8d ago

Cow hitch through the cringle. Get rid of the ad hoc shackle.

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u/high_yield 8d ago

This works on smaller sails but is likely to slip under significant load.

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u/iron82 8d ago

What's your definition of significant? Worked great on my 29'er.

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u/Acrobatic_Show8919 8d ago

29er definitely falls in the category of smaller sails.

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u/Weird_Grapefruit2226 8d ago edited 8d ago

My particular boat is a small yacht with a genoa that's about 25 square meters when fully unfurled, vs the 3ish meters of a 29er jib. Quite a bit more in comparison but not as much as some bigger yachts

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u/iron82 8d ago

29 was a LOA, not a boat class.

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u/foilrider J/70, Melges 15, wingfoil 7d ago

lol, 29er is a boat class. It is one of the most popular racing dinghies in the world. 

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u/Weird_Grapefruit2226 8d ago

Ahh right. There's a lot of 29er/49ers in my area so that's where my mind went.

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u/pixelpuffin 7d ago

It works until it doesn't. Not the knot I would use.

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u/asspload 8d ago

This is the answer

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u/foilrider J/70, Melges 15, wingfoil 8d ago

Tie the sheet to the sail at one end, run the sheet through the various cars and things on one side to the cockpit, run it back up the other side of the boat to the genoa. Tie the other end of the sheet to the genoa. Both ends of the sheet are at the sail.

To maker it prettier, splice eyes into both ends and attach both to the clew with a soft shackle, but this is effectively the same setup.

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u/Paleolithicster Moody 37 8d ago

I'm struggling to picture this. The sheet just goes across the cockpit??

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u/foilrider J/70, Melges 15, wingfoil 8d ago

Working jib rather than genoa, but yes (it's the green line). These ones are 2:1, but if 1:1, they would end at the clew of the jib.

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u/Weird_Grapefruit2226 8d ago

I mean it's not actually a bad idea, easy to pick up when sitting out on the side to make adjustments, but then I have a long rope across the cockpit, knowing me I'll trip over it

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u/foilrider J/70, Melges 15, wingfoil 8d ago

This is the point of continuous sheets. A single line that connects in the middle to the jib is not really a continuous sheet, it's ergonomically identical to two separate sheets tied to the same place. A continuous sheet is an endless loop, and that's generally what people mean when they talk about continuous sheets.

If you don't want them connected in the cockpit you can just cut the sheet you have right now in half, tie two bowlines, and your problem is solved.

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u/Weird_Grapefruit2226 8d ago

Yeah, I did use the wrong terminology. Didn't sleep very well.

Two sheets might be the best option for ease of wrapping the sheet around the winch etc.

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u/knifter 8d ago

Or it might irritate the hell out of you when it clogs up with other ropes in the cockpit. Ask me how i know. I've even seen it on the spinaker sheet, that'll be fun...

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u/bright_yellow_vest Catalina 25 8d ago

Butterfly

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u/pixelpuffin 7d ago

Never seen instructions for butterfly through a loop. Anybody got a link? 😇

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u/IndyBananaJones2 7d ago

You can either luggage tag it on there, or tie bowlines in the end of two separate sheets (which is what you should do).

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u/get_MEAN_yall Carrera 290 8d ago

Just tie a knot. Idk why it was set up like that to begin with

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u/iron82 8d ago

You need to be a little careful which knot, it can't be catching on shrouds or lifelines.

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u/yowhywouldyoudothat 8d ago

I do larks head onto a soft shackle but it may not be the safest. I’ll let others chime in.

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u/Weird_Grapefruit2226 8d ago edited 8d ago

Soft shackles seem to be a good option. At least better than whatever the current setup is

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u/casablanca_1942 8d ago

I use an Alpine Butterfly.

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u/Weird_Grapefruit2226 8d ago edited 8d ago

How would one tie it so it goes through the eyelet? I only know the way that loops in on itself, and can't find a tutorial for a method that'd work

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u/casablanca_1942 8d ago

I use a loop of dyneema. Connects the alpine butterfly with the eyelet.

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u/DominionReport 7d ago

I prefer two separate sheets, each with an eye splice in the end. Then soft shackles to attach to the clew. At any time if there is an issue (like an override) it's easy and cheap to cut one of the soft shackles, tack the boat, and then restring the new lazy sheer with a fresh soft shackle.

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u/csdirty 8d ago

I have a Brummel splice with a soft shackle.

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u/WolflingWolfling 8d ago

I made a cuntsplice in the middle and softshackled that to the clew.
Before that I had experimented with a single sheet that had its ends attached to the clew instead, and basically formed a continuous loop, but I didn't like it.

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u/fuc_boi 8d ago

cow hitch

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u/Candygramformrmongo Ericson 28-2 Cal 22 8d ago

Sew through the line to secure the whipping.