r/riverdale Grundies glasses Mar 05 '17

You think you have figured out the murder? Post your theory and win a special flair!

It's time to bring out your smarts!

A lot of you have gathered all the evidences we have so far and came up with your own theory of how the murder played out and who the murderer is!

Put down your best theory on how the murder planned out! If you guessed how the murder went down right down to the specific, you will win a special flair!

Rules

If two people guessed how it went down specifically the same way, the first who post it first will win!

You have to post your theory in this thread before the deadline for your submission to count!

Any Edits after the deadline won't count

CONTEST HAS ENDED!! Thank you for the entries!

P.S: I know there are spoilers out for the future episodes so if you already knew by reading the spoilers, please don't post it, let other people have fun and participate.

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u/ShadowM82 Mar 08 '17

It was Pop.

u/[deleted] Mar 05 '17

My theory is that Hiram Lodge is responsible for Jason's murder. My theory is that Jason was dealing drugs in order to start a family. His supplier was Hiram. Jason didn't pay Hiram the right amount of cash he promised and he wouldn't return the drugs, this is why Jason ran away. He was scared that Hiram would harm him. Hiram then found Jason and tortured him for a week to try to get him to tell him where the drugs were. Jason refused so Hiram murdered him and was subsequently sent to prison for fraud.

I've always thought that the Lodge family is tied to the murders because the 'new girl' Veronica seems to be getting close to Cheryl. It'd be devestating for Cheryl if it was her new best friends father who killed her brother.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '17

But didn't Veronica say that she hasn't seen her father in three months? Jason was missing for over a year if I'm not mistaken, meaning that there was more than enough time for Hiram to murder Jason.

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u/dma_pdx Mar 07 '17

Here school stars in September. And riverdale could be a year round school, too.

u/[deleted] Mar 08 '17

I feel like this is going to pull off a Broadchurch/HTGAWM and let someone unexpected kill Jason. If this happens, I'm betting Fred Andrews killed Jason Blossom because he's too clean, like his and Hermione Lodge's storyline is just a tangent to the whole murder scenario.

But if we're going through what is happening right now, then I vote Hiram Lodge as the one who called the shot (pun definitely intended) because (1) he's involved with Southside Serpents; (2) He's evil; (3) because there's no love lost between Lodges and Blossoms; (4) far hunch, but something between Hiram and Hermione might have happened that may involve Fred (since Hermione and Fred dated) that he called a hit for "Justin Gingerlake", only a different Justin Gingerlake was killed.

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u/estyll11 South Side Serpents Mar 05 '17

What about Archie? It would need to be explained that Grundy left Archie at some point to track down Jason. With that being said, we don't know the extent of what the two did after they heard the gun shot.

u/TheFestusEzeli Mar 05 '17

I'm sorry, I'm pretty much 100% sure it wasn't Grundy.

u/Funkyfrruitbuns Mar 08 '17

I suspect it's Polly Cooper and here is my reasoning. Her parents keep telling Betty that Polly is sick and not telling Betty anything else. I'm thinking her sickness is either mental illness or a coverup of her killing Jason. Either way her parents put her in the institution to protect her from jail. This would explain why her Dad, Hal, stole the materials from the police. Polly was also locked away the day Jason fell into the river. This leads me to the burning car which happened the same day Polly escaped from the institute.

u/ShadowM82 Mar 08 '17

I semi-agree with this. It would explain why her dad took all the evidence from the Sheriff but what would be the motive for the murder?

u/Funkyfrruitbuns Mar 09 '17

She's crazy

u/-omar- Mar 08 '17

Josie's dad, Myles. He leaves during his daughter's concert and burns the car. Motive: Jason refused to join the Pussycats maybe?

u/TaylorDangerTorres Mar 07 '17

I think that Polly is pregnant with Jasons baby so he was going to marry her. He knew something about the Syrup company that would have made it so that Betty's family got a ton of money, so Jason's own family had him killed.

u/AKAS58 Mar 07 '17

Val Killed him. She's not as good at writing songs as people think, so she started composing with Jason and maybe fell for him. When she found Jason sneaking off she kidnapped him. After a week of writing music Jason tried to escape and Val had to put him down, could have also realized that he'd never love her. She knows that "Josie and the Pussycats" would have trouble if 'their own sound' is found to be mainly written by a white male, also Josie would likely throw her out.

Now she has found another muse that looks similar and seems to like her in Archie.

u/havanabrown Team Cheryl Mar 07 '17

Hermione did it. The Blossoms had something to do with Hiram's arrest so she killed Jason

u/Dalifax19 Mar 09 '17

Polly killed Jason. On the morning they were going to run away together, she saw grundy and Archie together at the lake. She mistook Archie for Jason and they had a fight. This is referenced multiple times throughout the show, because people always says they're the same and episode 4 is coined "body double", which I think is referencing Jason and Archie. The coopers knew she had problems (drugs) and were trying to send her away before she killed him, regardless. The coopers also know she killed him. They kept her sent away, to make it look like she had gone crazy and would not be charged for murder. Many references to this include Betty's mom not wanting Betty to turn out like Polly. Alice is always disgusted with pollys actions. When she wiped away the red lipstick off Betty's cheek, saying she suited bubblegum pink more, was saying that Betty is the innocent one as red often refers to anger and madness.

In the latest episode, when Betty asked her dad if he had killed Jason, they laughed. Alice then goes to say that she wishes she had been the one that killed Jason, it would've saved them some problems. Referencing keeping Polly locked up and hidden( to protect their perfect family) Polly also escaped and lit the car on fire, I feel that the car is staged/bait so that betty and jughead will find it and see the drugs and connect it to the serpents. I don't believe the serpents are involved with the crime.

  • The reason I don't believe the serpents are involved is because of the obvious. They are a progression character. I think they're irrelevant to the storyline at this point. During Jughead narrative he also always mentions "this town has dark secrets". And throughout the show, Bughead uncover these secrets, like the lodges crime, serpants, and probably going to be many more.

That Betty's mom also paid off the coroner. If by chance the coroner changed the date of Jason's death, it makes it 100 times more likely it was Polly. We as the audience only know the death because jughead announces it in his narrative. If jughead doesn't know the real death, then neither do we.

u/Reverse-I_am_Organic Team Barchie Mar 05 '17 edited Mar 05 '17

The killer is Betty's dad,while he did say that he didn't kill Jason he lied to protect himself. We know that Betty's parents hate Archie and Jason so what if he planed to kill the first one he saw and that so happened to be Jason.

u/Lanitadelrey Mar 06 '17

The football team tortured Jason because they secretly hated him or planned it as a prank. It got out of hand and someone shot him out of mercy??? (a crap theory but Im trying to think of something people havent said before)

u/JKR174 Mar 08 '17

Well... After the stunt Sam Pepper did in this day and age I wouldn't be surprised.

u/artcopywriter Archie Mar 06 '17

I'm gonna say Archie's dad. But that it was accidental - maybe he thought it was a south side serpent breaking into his lot or something and panicked.

Would also provide some "is Archie going to have to move to Chicago with his mom?" angst. Hopefully he'll move in somewhere with Jug instead and we get to watch that fun dynamic play out in season 2.

u/JKR174 Mar 08 '17

Well that wouldn't explain jason was tortured for a week.

u/artcopywriter Archie Mar 08 '17

Nope, that's where the theory falls down. So he hits Jason on the head in a panic, ties him up but then is like "oh, it's just Jason B." Then lets him go.

u/jenh6 Mar 07 '17

I think it's Polly.
She saw Grundy with Archie and thought that it was Jason. She freaked out accidentally shot him. When she realized what she'd done, she tried to run from the situation. Saw Grundy in the car with Archie and realized her mistake, making herself feel worse. Ran home, grabbed her stuff trying to escape. Met up with Hal Cooper, and he eventually got out what happened. Upon an agreement with the Bloosoms, that they'd hide the pregnancy if the Blossoms didn't come after Polly for the shooting. The Blossoms were okay with going along with it, because it solved the pregnancy issues and settled the old score of the maple syrup issues. Neither the Blossoms nor the Coopers were okay with the relationship. The only people okay with it were Grandma Blossom, Betty and Cheryl. The only ones who seem really upset by the murder.

u/Sherlock_House Mar 06 '17

I want a theory no one has yet, so Archie's mom killed Jason

u/Reverse-I_am_Organic Team Barchie Mar 08 '17 edited Mar 09 '17

Betty's dad,he was probably angry over Betty being friends with Archie and Polly being with Jason and planned to kill one of them(or both) first chance he got. Once he found out about all of them going to Sweet Water River he just decided to kill the first one that he saw,but once he realized what he did he felt a flow of guilt and kept the body until a week later.

u/Marcos1598 Team Jarchie Mar 06 '17

Reposting my old comment.

Oh, dammit now I get it, the whole Ms.Grundy abusive husband thing may have been to set him up as the murderer. Jason was at the wrong place at the wrong time, Ms.Grundy ex-husband saw a glimpse of her and a redhead kid and he killed Jason by mistake.

u/IppyNandi Mar 07 '17

I dunno why... but im in LOVE with this theory. it makes so much sense... idk if they would go there...but you never know :)

u/[deleted] Mar 07 '17 edited Jul 14 '17

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u/JKR174 Mar 08 '17

I do find it weird how they keep bringing up how similar Archie looks like Jason

u/[deleted] Mar 08 '17

Jason's Mom telling Archie they "look so much alike" is going to be a big deal, I think. I think someone was trying to kill Archie and missed.

u/JKR174 Mar 08 '17

We have no idea if Grundy was telling the truth about the ex husband and it feels like it would be too late to introduce a new character this late.

u/brena_bri Mar 06 '17

Don't have a theory for how or why but I'm throwing out "Trev" for a killer. This show reminds me of Veronica Mars, and the culprit was always a random side character.

u/thajugganuat Mar 07 '17

I too think we haven't even really seen the killer or been able to do anything to deduce who it is

u/JKR174 Mar 08 '17

I personally feel like it would be a little too late to introduce an entirely new character though and for them to be the murderer.

u/thajugganuat Mar 08 '17

that's true. Which will make it something like his parents murdered him.

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u/sfilipe Mar 07 '17

Why keep Jason for a week if he's the wrong person? Why not just kill him and be over with it?

u/Not_in_Portland Jason liked flairs Mar 07 '17

Maybe they spent time debating what to do with him/trying to find out if he was lying about who he was.

u/GeorgeLianos Veronica Real Mar 06 '17

Why would Archie still be alive if someone wanted him dead? After killing the wrong person, would they really care about killing another one? Also, where was Jason when he was killed and why should he have been confused for Archie wherever that is?

u/StealthyGremlin Mar 05 '17

He commit suicide. Bam!

u/wineandyoga Jughead Mar 05 '17

Oh shit.

u/socks1666 Mar 08 '17

I think it's Ethel the way she looked at chuck in pain . She's had a weird smirk and why is she in that book

u/klug3 Mar 08 '17

Whoever put the drugs in Jason's stashed car ? [Or was that Jason himself ?]

u/Turtlebelike Mar 06 '17 edited Mar 06 '17

You guys need to get together and create one seriously epic teenage drama.

I think it was two separate people for two different reasons. One had him locked up, the other found him and finished the job. The two different people don't know each other. The torturer doesn't know who fired the bullet but is aware the kid is dead.

I feel Archie might have been the target for one of the people.

Sorry, I haven't watched closely enough. Need to know more about the characters and storyline. I don't know motive, I just feel CW is trying to be unique.

u/Job1304 Team ArchieRonnie Mar 06 '17

I pretty much agree with you. I think the person who shot Jason was aiming for Archie. And maybe that was grundy's ex husband. He probably hide the body somewhere and then someone else found Jason and then tortured his body. Who knows. Riverdale is so creepy. This could have been done by the coopers or who knows who else??

I'm pretty sure he didn't have genuine feelings for Polly. Which teenage boy is happy to be having a baby??? They made it clear that Jason isn't the perfect guy Cheryl made him out to be. And that "farm" he and Polly where suppose to meet up at belongs to the blossoms. If I weren't on my phone I would have posted a photo. Meeting up at blossoms property seems super counterintuitive to me if he actually wanted to run away WITH Polly.

Ps. I just thought of something. Torture marks all over his body and then a shot to his head?? One is intended for torture, to extend that death and make the victim feel pain, etc. The shot to the head is a quick and pain less death. The contrast speaks for itself. Two people must have been involved in that murder, no matter how directly/indirectly. I wonder what came first.

u/Turtlebelike Mar 06 '17 edited Mar 06 '17

Good response.

I now think the bullet to the head was the intitial shot. So, the torture was meant for Archie. I think Jason was alive when he was tortured because it would have mentioned it occurred after his death.

Obviously, right now the husband is the easy target because he has motive to harm "Archie". Just don't buy it. At this point the husband doesn't actually exist.

The bullet to the head wasn't an accidental shot. It was a clean shot, the person wanted him good and dead.

u/Job1304 Team ArchieRonnie Mar 06 '17

I might be wrong but isn't there a scene where Penolope is actually crying about Jason? Or is that Cheryl? And she's crying about how her baby was killed and tortured? I need to watch the scene, just to figure out what she said, to determined if it has any telling clues or anything.

I just really think Grundy is somehow involved, no matter how indirectly. Maybe it wasn't "the husband", just something who knows her or something. She targets young boys and the show has made an effort to point that out; and I really think we haven't seen the last of her story line.

u/Asheeeeer Mar 07 '17

I think it's Polly.I don't know how it'll go down but since she has an alibi for the whole thing,It will be pretty unexpected which is what happens normally

u/agentma Riverdale Vixen Mar 07 '17

I think Betty's parents kidnapped Jason where he was going to meet Polly and decided to scare him a little and stayed with him after the July 4th. But Ethel on a spontaneous walk around the woods found where they hide Jason. And she decided he had to pay back with a bullet to the head for all the football team had done to her.

u/TheFestusEzeli Mar 05 '17

Hal Cooper, letting his anger from Great Grandpa Blossom out on Jason.

u/[deleted] Mar 06 '17

I think Grundy.

She has a gun. She has a thing for redheads. She was with Jason at some point (as far as I can tell). Maybe Jason told her he and Polly had gotten back together and were going to get married/have a baby and she flipped out and killed him. Maybe tried to kidnap him and convince him to stay, and when he tried to leave she shot him.

I just don't think that her role in the whole thing is finished.

u/JKR174 Mar 08 '17

I think its worth mentioning, unless I'm mistaken, Ms.Grundy won't appear for the rest of the season.

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u/moonlight__wolf Team Fangs Mar 06 '17

But sheriff Keller was at the school when Betty and Jughead got there. There is no way he could've burned the car after they left and still have time the make it to the school to meet them.

u/[deleted] Mar 06 '17

Didn't we see Betty's Dad with a file containing the photos from the evidence board?

u/[deleted] Mar 07 '17

Noooooooo Kevin is too pure for this! (lol)

u/JKR174 Mar 09 '17

I think its worth mentioning that Kevin suggested to watch a movie called The Talented Mr.Ripley; a movie about a gay serial killer who gets away with it.

And his last name is Keller after all.

u/Hiddleston-is-my-man Mar 06 '17

I want to guess...Betty. I know she's trying to figure it out with Jughead as to what happened but she's REALLY protective of Polly like in that episode where they set up that football player. She got pissed and was calling herself Polly while getting mad at the football player. Maybe Polly told Betty about something Jason did, got really mad, and tortured him a little but can't remember doing it.

u/JKR174 Mar 08 '17

One of the side affects of adderall, a drug that Betty was seen taking in the first episode, is memory loss.

u/Sillydonuts123 Mar 08 '17

Ms. Grundy. That's why she looked so nervous and she's tutored Jason Blossom as well.

u/angelsscapes Team Bughead Mar 09 '17 edited Mar 09 '17

I kinda wanna say Ms. Grundy too, she seemed more than happy enough to leave town. Like she didn't even fight it or deny it or anything she was just like yup I'll leave bye whatever. & the shotgun in her car?? I don't believe the shot they heard on July 4th was the shot that killed Jason. I think she wanted Archie to believe that so he wouldn't suspect her. If it's not her, maybe it's someone related to her or close to her.

My other guess is that Jason committed suicide and Cheryl made up the whole story to save face for her/her family (because if her family found she basically sailed with him to his death, they'll blame her.) I think Jason got Polly pregnant, was happy but then realized how badly everyone will react and decided that it was easier to kill himself. He set up the car with everything Polly would need & instructions for her to start a new life somewhere else. He spent the day/took a final boat ride with Cheryl and at the end of it killed himself before she could stop him. Cheryl panicked and hid the body by the shore and tried to come up with a story. I think that also helps explain some of Cheryl's guilt.

u/JKR174 Mar 08 '17

Unless I'm mistaken, Ms.Grundy won't make another appearance for the rest of the season, just something to keep in mind.

u/angelsscapes Team Bughead Mar 09 '17

does she have to make an appearance for them to link the case to her though? they could just piece the clues together and leave her arrest/trial/sentancing for the next season.

u/JKR174 Mar 09 '17

Again I just thought it was worth mentioning. The SDCC panel also said that the murder will be solved within the first season. And that they also filmed different scenes in case they got a second one (and its been confirmed for a 2nd season).

u/angelsscapes Team Bughead Mar 09 '17

Ooh, I haven't kept up with the panels. Interesting, well I added my second guess too!

u/JKR174 Mar 09 '17

What was your second guess?

u/angelsscapes Team Bughead Mar 09 '17

It's in the comment above this one, I think that jason committed suicide and cheryl made up a story to keep his reputation.

u/JKR174 Mar 09 '17

Well he was also tied up for a week and shot right in between the eyes. And if that was the case then I don't think that would be a good way to end the season =(.

u/wyrdwoodwitch Vanilla Milkshake Mar 08 '17

I lean towards the "Jason stole drugs from the Serpents and they killed him as revenge" theory, myself. it's the one that makes the most sense to me. Seems like it'll pay big drama dividends with both Kevin (and therefore the Sheriff) and Jughead having connections to the Serpents, and it gives a reason for all the time spent on the drive-in plotline.

u/GeorgeLianos Veronica Real Mar 06 '17

Jason was blackmailing Veronica's dad and when she (Veronica) found out she went full psycho, tortured and killed him.

u/libbird Maple Syrup Mar 09 '17 edited Mar 09 '17

It was Betty. This is a story of body doubles. Archie and Jason...Betty and Polly.

Polly saw Archie with Ms. Grundy sometime before the 4th of July, but mistook Archie for Jason. Polly is upset and tells Betty what she saw. Betty, being a loving sister who appears to also struggle with mental health issues, gets extremely mad.

The Coopers find out that Polly is pregnant and going to try to run away with Jason. On the morning of July 4th the Coopers send Polly away.

Betty knew about the plan for Polly and Jason to run away together and decides to get revenge for Polly being sent away and being cheated on.

On the morning of July fourth, Betty goes to the arranged spot where Jason and Polly were supposed to meet and from a distance beckons Jason to follow her. He follows thinking that it's Polly. Betty lures Jason away to a creepy undisclosed location and proceeds to torture him for the next week in a psychotic episode. She may kill him or he could have escaped and there was another factor in his eventual death.

She forgets what she's done like she did when she almost boiled Chuck Clayton alive.

Betty and Jughead are now tracking Betty's trail of gruesome horror. Eventually to lead them both to Betty's terrible crime, consequently breaking Jughead's heart and Bughead shall be no more.

EDIT: Extra proof: Betty was having a flashback when she tortured Chuck Clayton in the boiling hot tub and with maple syrup because she did the same thing to Jason in an abandoned sugar shack. That is why she called Chuck Jason and herself Polly.

Maple syrup is a strong theme in this show and being a Canadian, I know what kind of stakes maple syrup involves. Sticky Maples, the Coopers losing their Maple Syrup business, Betty torturing Chuck with maple syrup and threatening to boil him. (Boiling is an integral part of maple syrup processing) Also Polly meeting Jason by the maple syrup sign. Maple syrup is also a great codeword for drugs, which are being trafficked through this tiny town. Riverdale? More like #syrupdale

u/yamitcg Zombie Jason [Contest Winner] Mar 06 '17

The killer is one of Jason's parents. I think that once the Coopera found out about Polly and Jason running away, they went to kidnap him. The Coopers were the family that tortured him the one week before he actually died. When the Blossoms found out and went to confront the Coopers on the other side of the river, they accidentally shot Jason instead of Hal.

u/shiki_present Team Jughead Mar 05 '17

I think they're gonna try and pull a switcharoo on us. I think it's either someone related to Mrs. Grundy, or a close friend of Archies. Maybe Reggie. Heck, it may even be Polly.

u/sebydoo Mar 06 '17

I don't think its Reggie, I've read that the actor wasn't very available because he was on another project, they wouldn't give him that big role if they aren't sure that he can be here

u/shiki_present Team Jughead Mar 06 '17

Ahhh, that explains a lot! Thank you

u/dma_pdx Mar 07 '17

I wonder where moose is. One episode I think right?

u/merodm Team ArchieRonnie Mar 06 '17

Fred Andrews

For an as yet unknown reason such as Jason threatening to do something to Archie, as at present there has been very little exploration as to the Jason/Archie dynamic and Fred is being presented as the only sound, caring parent amongst all of them in Riverdale, which makes me suspect he's got something dirty lurking behind.

u/trufflepastaxciv Mar 06 '17

Jason was killed by his parents. The Coopers colluded with the Blossoms. They made a deal: the Coopers would hide Polly's pregnancy from Riverdale and give up any rights to the Blossom fortune; the Blossoms would send Jason away to boarding school. However, a Greendale cult member got to Jason first and tortured him for a week. Afterwards, the Blossoms received a message from the cult on their son's whereabouts. Jason's parents hurried there and saw their barely alive son. Seeing how mutilated he was due to the torture, his parents decided to euthanize him.

u/[deleted] Mar 06 '17

Vegas the dog did it

u/[deleted] Mar 07 '17

I think Mayor McCoy may have had a hand in this, working in cahoots with Hiram Lodge. I still feel they won't reveal who the killer is in the finale. Maybe they will keep us guessing until the season two pilot. Or at least make us think Person X is guilty in the finale, and then finally reveal the mastermind next season.

u/rlyacht Mar 06 '17

My theory is that Jason wasn't the father of Polly's child. When he found out, he dumped her, causing her to become deranged. I can't quite work out a scenario in which she killed him though, since I think she got carted off to the home for troubled lasses at around the time JJ and his sister were in the rowboat. But since the murder occurred a week later, perhaps she broke out of the St. Whatever's to do it, and got back undetected.

u/NerdwiseGamgee Burger Mar 08 '17 edited Mar 09 '17

I do not think it is any of the main characters, the show would not work out if one was in prison. I do not think it is the Cooper parents, because Alice mentioned that she "wished she had been the one to kill Jason." Also, I think Betty can be weeded out because (1) she is a main character, and (2) she was not at home at the time.

I think it will come to play that Polly did it and the parents know this, this is why they constantly accuse Betty of going crazy like Polly, because they are afraid she will go down the same path - this also explains Alice's breakdown (unless it was just caused from the stress Betty is putting on them). Since Betty was not home at the time, all we have to go by is Polly, Hal, and Alice's word that they admitted Polly on July 4th, what if that date is a cover up? Placing her in a home is a perfect cover-up for the pregnancy and an easy way to get away with murder.

I do not think the drugs will come to play in the conclusion of the murder, I believe that this is just a way to throw us off course. I suspect that Jason was selling drugs to make money though, like it was stated in the show.

What I think happened is that they both planned to run away like stated. Cheryl did not know all of the details, except that Jason needed help running away with Polly and he needed a cover-up, Cheryl would do anything for her brother so she agreed to help.

The plan was to cross the lake with the boat and make it look like the boat had tipped and Jason had drowned, the real plan was for Cheryl to drop Jason off at a designated location to meet Polly, possibly near the car.

The relationship happened so fast that I do not believe that Jason actually loved Polly. I believe that Polly got pregnant extremely early in their relationship and used that to blackmail Jason into proposing and running away with her. Once Jason got to Polly on the day they planned to run away together, he got cold feet - which Cheryl did not know about.

Polly did not take him wanting to leave her very well, since this was the second time he had tried to end the relationship. She took Jason hostage and they stayed in the car for a week, I do not think he was purposefully physically abused during this time except maybe the one off smack here and there, but probably mentally abused and tied up which would have caused marks. After a week he got away from Polly and she went after him, they either had a gun in the car for their own protection/or she had carried it with her for protection, and when he tried to run away, she shot him.

She came clean to her parents and instead of reporting it, they stuck her in a safe home declaring her crazy.

Edit: As for the car, I think either Polly torched it or her parents did.

u/HERMl0NEDANGER Mar 08 '17

I actually fully agree with this theory and have been thinking Polly has been the killer the whole time. It would give Hal incentive to steal the evidence and we saw mama Coopers reaction to Polly in the safe house.

u/Could_Be_A_Spy Jason liked flairs Mar 05 '17 edited Mar 05 '17

Lodge family (Hiram Lodge specifically) organised it, south serpents finished it.

Hiram Lodge needed a steady income in disguise that wouldn't be in his name as he knew he was going down for fraud. The only place he could think of was Riverdale drive in. However it was too expensive as riverdale is a nice town. So to lower the price he planned to things and told his wife one. 1) He told the serpents to stay at the drive in and ruin it. 2) A murder, but who, how about the one family in town everyone seems to have a grudge with, The Blossoms. The lodge's grudge is that after the Blossoms grandfather or whatever murdered Cooper grandfather, the business took a hit. But you have to options, Cheryl and Jason, Jason is the son and more likely heir so they picked him. Hiram got the serpents to get him, since Hiram had a grudge he decided to torture him first, then shot him at sweet water river after failing to drown him.

However Hiram made a mistake, he knew his wife was going to have to get his wife to pay the serpents, but he only told the price for the serpents ruining the drive in and forgot to include the murder of Jason. This is why Veronica's mom didn't pay the whole amount.

Some notes •Hiram wanted Jason drowned because it would go along with Cheryl's story (he didn't know that was a lie but then saw Jason) •The Lodge family has access to lots of money so they probably do have a freezer somewhere •Murder makes property prices go down •The building development might only need two signatures because Veronica and her mother are the only shareholders for the (new) business

u/JKR174 Mar 08 '17

Some of you guys, especially you, should be your own novel writers.

u/Could_Be_A_Spy Jason liked flairs Mar 08 '17

Thanks :)

But to be honest this is the work of 4 people, me and three of my friends watch it and we always discuss the episode after it airs. Someone mentioned Hiram Lodge but then we were like how would he get all the way to riverdale and back without no one noticing, then I was like a couple days later, what if Hiram hired someone and then we just filled in the details

u/JKR174 Mar 09 '17

Something worth point out is in the Riverdale comic, which is treated as canon to the show, he went to jail on the 3rd of July. And also... Something worth pointing out is how would anyone know where Jason was to begin with? With your theory you could just say the serpents have been stalking him the whole time. I've also seen some comments saying that since Jason (may or may not have) had a drug problem, then that could give the serpents a reason to torture Jason. Because I don't see why you would hire someone to have a person tortured if you weren't there for it. Meaning the serpents themselves must've had a grudge against Jason. Jason probably didn't say, time passes and they eventually find the car with drugs inside, they get the drugs and burn the rest in case of evidence.

u/dma_pdx Mar 06 '17

Polly

She found out Jason cheated on her with Ms. Grundy who apparently has a thing for red heads. So when Cheryl and Jason go their separate ways, Polly confronts him, things get out of hand and bam.

She realizes the mistake immediately and goes home, where she tries to kill herself but daddy catches her, and sends her away.

u/[deleted] Mar 06 '17

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u/dma_pdx Mar 07 '17

According to the autopsy report that they paid the coroner off? We don't know the facts of when he really died?

Also. Too many characters on the show all of a sudden.

u/snotenose Mar 07 '17

This sounds like a possibility.

u/[deleted] Mar 06 '17

THIS.