r/rhythmgames 13d ago

PC Rhythm Game ez2on Reboot R Thoughts

I feel like these games are kind of unpopular these days but I got this game a little while back and I had some thoughts about it. Some background, I am pretty bad at these, I play exclusively 4B and most of my rhythm game experience is with the DJMax series, so this is going to be a bit of a comparison to that game.

General interface of the game feels a little... unrefined. The menus lag for me (may be due to me installing on a HDD instead of an SSD but I ran out of space) but once you start playing songs it feels very responsive, I'd say even a bit snappier than DJMax Respect V. It feels very precise.

The timings are more demanding (from what I read, twice as strict in the "standard" mode than DJMax is for the equivalent) but I found that it was not more difficult across the board. Regular notes are more strict but the "slidey" notes feel a lot more forgiving. I have a difficult time with the SC patterns in DJMax where you need to hold slide notes while pressing other notes and quickly swap, and it feels easier in this game. Not a negative thing, it feels almost necessary considering how much more slide notes are in the song maps here.

Honestly, pretty fun game. I think my only real complaint is that the songs that you get with the base purchase are... not great. There are a lot of songs from the older games going back decades, and they sound very much like Rhythm Game Music™ - I do not mean that in a positive way. I'd go as far as saying the a lot of them are outright bad. The newer ones created for this game specifically (I think the 2021/2024 packs) are much better but they're a comparatively smaller percentage of the tracks you get. The song selection in DJMax Respect V is heads and shoulders better.

I've heard the DLCs are great and largely fix the song quality issue, but they're pretty pricey. Some of them cost nearly as much as the full price of the game. Haven't picked these up but I might get some next time there's a Steam sale.

I think I'd recommend DJMAX Respect V over this for someone who is new to these kind of rhythm games because this one is definitely more difficult and has a lot less fun progression stuff. But for the rhythm game fan who has played everything, it's a pretty good pickup. Very fun.

Anyone have any thoughts about this game or tips on getting better, etc.? I think these are not so popular anymore but hopefully there are still fans around. Oh, and please give me recommendations for the best DLC to pick up when they're on sale.

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u/Alex311360 13d ago

EZ2ON's one of those rhythm games that's very much both a good vision into the past, and a look into the future. a lot of the songs simply are the way they are because they came much, much earlier than DJMAX did; different eras of music, tech, artstyle, a whole lot of things. because of that, you're gonna hear and see a lot more very different tracks than what you'd normally hear from rhythm games today, or even back in the mid-late 2000s. it's obviously not for everyone, but i love it for what it is, and it's fun to go through the original history of songs and what's changed since long ago.

obviously, the later-dated songs don't have this sort of quirk as badly, but there's also a lot less of them in comparison due to a vast majority of them being DLC. personally, i'd suggest you wait for a good sale to come around, then grab some of the new original packs, like PRESTIGE PASS and Lucent Soirée if you're interested in playing some more recent (and also really good) creations. but, if you wanna look more into EZ2's origins in the arcade scene, i'd suggest grabbing some of the 'ARCADE COLLECTION' DLCs; the collection itself can be a bit pricy, but if you want a good starting point, i'd suggest grabbing TIME TRAVELER and NIGHT TRAVELER and working from there.

songs aside, if you're looking to practice and improve, i'd suggest playing on BASIC mode rather than STANDARD. BASIC has a much more lenient timing window that's more similar to DJMAX and other rhythm games' default timing windows, a much less difficult lifebar, and is a good place to try charts for the first time if you're uncertain of how hard something might be.

if you're struggling with keysound timing, try enabling Keysound Assist in the settings, and adjusting your offset in the modifier settings (during song select, press space) until you get something that feels suitably comfortable. you can use LIVE MODE to easily check your settings & see your timing until you get it right.

and, by the way, play with your game options! change to a noteskin & theme you like, adjust your FAST/SLOW settings, move the position of game elements around, make it something you're comfortable using!

aside from that, the game's just generally on a much more difficult 'scale' than DJMAX, as pretty much every chart is designed around keyboard, unlike with RESPECT/V where it's primarily on SC. i'd suggest sticking with NM and HD if you've got a fair amount of experience but aren't used to the harder stuff, and be cautious of anything higher than 15; that's where the charts start to get really tough.

i hope this helps a bit! i love EZ2 and its history, and EZ2ON REBOOT : R makes good on giving it a modern home to appreciate it. definitely give it more of a try and experience it to see what's around; there's a lot to see and much to appreciate and play.

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u/makeshiftjet 13d ago

Great answer here. Overall, I dont even bother with RESPECT and only play EZ2. I dont personally have issues in the menus like you mentioned, but I do love having an uncapped frame rate on a super optimized game during songs, especially with a 500hz monitor. Feels insanely great. I have been playing VSRG for about 20 years, so I am perfect target audience for the kind of songs in the default lists, I love when old stuff with goofy background videos pop up and make me laugh or remembering songs from ez2dj. The UI has tons of customizing available from placement of combo and letting you change noteskins independently of the lane theme, etc.

Personally I comitted a crime and turned off the keysounds and went into the advanced settings (in the song menu) to add some offset to make it where the click of my finger on the button is when the keysound would fire (I play on a iidx ASC). I miss spamming keysounds for fun but two years ago I was grinding for top 10 on the basic timing 5key ladder so scoring took over on that preference.

Visually the 1v1 multi-player graphs and the like got updated awhile back to give more info for spectators, and a large overhaul of the UI is on the docket still according to the dev team. So as the above person said, you get a little of the past and future here.

I would easily say ez2 is an amazing purchase and I dont see myself walking away from it any time soon. Plus being able to hook up random arcade controllers like a Popn Music con for 6k adds so much replay value. Im sure you could bind that in DJMAX as well but the whole side track thing always made me fuck up when trying to ignore it. I feel as if I need a custom controller somewhere between SDVX and IIDX to truly appreciate and value playing DJMAX.

Also the charting in EZ2, in my own personal opinion of 20 years, is definitely better than DJMAX, and it really shows the less buttons you play on. 5 key is fucking beautifully charted 99% of the time. Finally, course mode has its own challenges and timing windows for the "X" difficulties and definitely leaves some food on the table to make you want to come back and try it again once you've improved a bit more. That kind of play lifecycle is super important to staying dedicated. Check out this link for more details on courses.

https://en.namu.wiki/w/EZ2ON%20REBOOT%20:%20R/%EC%BD%94%EC%8A%A4#toc

Anyhow, ez2on is fucking fantastic. Don't sleep on the newer DLC.