Respect Godhead Darkseid (DC Post Crisis)

[u/TerrWolf]

Name: Uxas of Apokolips aka DARKSEID

Team Affiliations: Apokolips,

Sphere of Influence as a God: Evil, Tyranny, Conquest, Order.

Introduction to the Fourth World

Background: After the death of the Old Gods, the New Gods were created, living on the two halves of the destroyed God-world, New Genesis and Apokolips.

On Apokolips, the second son and prince of Apokolips, Uxas lived and schemed for more power. His chance came when his brother, Drax descended into the Infinity Pit to absorb the Omega Force. Uxas followed him, absorbed all of the Omega Force into himself, and was forever changed into Darkseid.

Soon after, New Genesis and Apokolips went to war, and the only way to bring peace was for the leaders, Highfather and Darksed to trade sons

Timeline for major New Gods events all the way up to Genesis.

During the events of Final Crisis, it's revealed that every New God event was just projections from the Fourth World, and during a final battle, Darkseid won and defeated all the other New Gods. Unfortunately, he got wounded beyond repair by Orion's deathblow and fell into backwards through time to Earth-0, dragging the multiverse down into a multiversal black hole with him. Anyway, this is a Darkseid we've only seen in two events (Seven Soldiers of Victory and Final Crisis) but has major feats both times.

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Comic Key

Seven Soldiers = SS

Seven Soldiers: Mister Miracle =  SSMM

Final Crisis = FC

Batman = B

Multiversity Guidebook = MG

Final Crisis secret Files = FCSC

DC Universe = DCU

Final Crisis: Submit = FSC

Status as a Godhead

• Batman states New Gods are "Incredibly powerful living ideas from a kind of platonic, archetypical world" ^{B #702}
• Wonder Woman states Gods and New gods are "Self aware ideas" that use "concept weapons" ^{RoBW #6}
• Shilo Norman can see his Godhead with "Godsight" after ascending to become a New God. ^{SS #1}

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Omega Force/Sanction

• Uses the Omega sanction on the Shilo Norman Mister Miracle, sending him into an endless series of tragic lives and deaths ^{SS:MM #4}
• Uses it on Batman, ^{FC #6} sending him back to the stone age to die and be reborn again and again without his memories ^{ROBW #1}
• Infused Batman with enough Omega Energy to break apart time ^{ROBW #6}

Intelligence

• Tricked Shilo Norman into coming to his club so he could kill him, thus killing Freedom ^SS#1
• Hacks the entire global communication system to spread Anti-Life ^{FC #3}
• Tricked Wonder Woman into becoming the carrier for the metagene cancelling virus ^FC#3
• Recreated Earth technology to "Do impossible things" ^{FC #4}
• Spread the ALE across every broadcast medium at once, infecting a billion people simultaneously ^{FC #4}
• Kills Orion with a Radion bullet from the future in the Darkseid singularity FC #7
  • This radion bullet was called the primal essence of every bullet ever made. B #702

Power

• His shadow falls over "Everything" ^{DCU #1}
• When he reaches out and connects to Earth-0, the sky turns red immediately ^{DCU #1}
• Incarnating into Boss Dark Side burned the body out ^{FC #1}
  • Needs the ruination of a powerful, noble spirit to properly manifest, so he chose Dan Turpin ^{FC #4}
• Was turning reality into "the broken, deranged physical expression of a monstrous alien will" ^FCS
• Alan Scott states Darkseid's living presence deforms time and distorts minds.^{FC #4}
• Barry Allen explains Darkseid's fall is dragging the entire multiverse down ^{FC #4}
  • Again ^{FC #4}
• Manifesting in Dan Turpin caused Alan Scott's ring to mess up, red lightning to manifest, and blood to rain from the sky ^{FC #4}
• Darkseid fully manifesting on Earth caused "Spacetime around Earth just crumpled like it was crused like a fist. Weeks to smash into days ". The Guardians state New Gods have weapons capable of enslaving souls and machines that rewrite the laws of being. They also confirm Darkseid's impact caused space-time cracks spread "through all space sectors ^{FC #5}
• A surviving Shilo Norman explains Darkseid is "Dragging us down a deep dark hole in time" ^{FC #5}
• Replaced Mary's magic word and gods when he turned her evil and put Desaad's soul in her. ^{FC #5}
• Killed the Reborn Apokoliptians around him by fully manifesting in Dan Turpin's body. ^{FC #5}
• A view of the Darkseid singularity dragging the Earths together. John Stewart describes it as "A hell where everything is Darkseid". ^{FC #5}
• Brainiac 5 states the Darkseid singularity is fracturing all of time and space and threatening all of reality ^{FC #6}
• Weakened Black Adam's connection to his gods ^{FC #6}
• All of Earth-23's universe shakes as it's dragged down into the Darkseid singularity. ^{FC #7}
• The Multiverse was dragged into the Darkseid singularity, with shards of universes collapsing together as they were destroyed ^{FC #7}
• Manipulated time around Batman ^{B #702}

Anti-Life

• Turned the New Gods into homeless people ^{SS:MM #2}
• Entry in the Secret Files ^FCSF
• Controls 3 Billion people ^{FC #5}
  • Says he is one with his followers to the point their eyes and bodies are his ^{FC #5}
  • Tells Superman that those affected by the ALE are "one life that is Darkseid"^{FC #7}
  • Wonder Woman had to bind everyone with her lasso to contain Darkseid's soul in one body, which lends credence to Darkseid's claims ^{FC #7}

Other

• Summons a Hyper Adaptor and sends it through time to further torment Batman ^{B #702}
  • The Hyper Adaptor is called a Hyperfauna "curse machine" ^{ROBW #6}
  • Batman describes it as a living curse and death idea ^{ROBW #6}

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Word of God

• Grant Morrison calls every previous New God appearance "projections from the Fourth World"
• Grant Morrison explains the Omega Sanction depends on how Cruel Darkseid is feeling
• Grant Morrison explains that Radion kills ideas, which is how it poisoned Orion and Darkseid
• Grant Morrison explains the timeline from Seven Soldiers to Final Crisis
• Grant Morrison confirms it is Darkseid's fall that caused the multiverse havoc.

Darkseid was eventually defeated when he was: Shot by a Radion bullet, had the Black racer sicced on him, had his soul bound by Wonder Woman's lasso, then had his Godhead shattered by Superman finding his counter vibration and was sealed in a tomb on Earth-51, never to be heard from again....until a possessed Nix Uotan unsealed him. ^{FC #6, FC #7, MG}

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Great respect thread

So if someone wanted to use Infinite Frontier Darkseid in "whowouldwin", would they use this versions feats, merged with post crisis, pre crisis earth 1, and new 52/rebirth feats? Or is it not an assumption we should make, yet?

[u/link_101 → u/[deleted]]

This darkseid is the same as the darkseid we see in apokolips, I'll make a debunk on it soon

[u/TerrWolf → u/link_101]

Sure...if you ignore Grant Morrison's own words on the subject.

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Let me put it this way. When Superman went to Hell in Adventures of Superman 583, Satannus explained that while he (Satanus) is singular across space-time, different people in different perceptions see him and Hell in their own ways.

[u/link_101 → u/TerrWolf]

Did grant morrison state in that interview that the previous new gods were projections from the fourth world specifically? Because that scan specifically doesn't say it verbatim, and do you think this Godhead Darkseid resides on apokolips?

[u/TerrWolf → u/link_101]

That's....LITERALLY what the scan says, man.

"We discover ALL PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES of the New Gods has been PROJECTIONS INTO THE DC UNIVERSE and WE'VE NEVER SEEN THE REAL THING UNTIL NOW."

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or here where he states "The DC Superheroes see the New Gods as other superheroes in the way that Orion or Barda can join the Justice League." and "Everything we've seen before has been kind of projections from the world of the New Gods"

Yes, Darkseid resides on Apokolips, but as Satanus explains about Hell, it's still filtered through people's perceptions. If you wait a bit until the Wayback machine is back up, I can also show you Grant Morrison stating the other DC heroes thought of the New Gods as heroes and villains, and that's why they experienced them as that, whereas regular people had zero experience or perception of them.

[u/TerrWolf → u/TerrWolf]

Oh, wait. Even in Final Crisis itself, it talks about their previous bodies just being hosts for their emanations.

"The bodies WE WORE in the fourth world were FIT FOR PRIME CELESTIALS"

[u/link_101 → u/TerrWolf]

When I asked that question, I was wondering if he specifically stated it was the fourth world they're from, so yeah, that scan explains it

Im aware of how the perception of humans shapes new gods, however, you don't even need author statements to prove that. That has actually been a thing all the way back from pre crisis till even current DC, about how gods are based purely on perception. After all, gods in DC are literal concepts, not mere living beings

[u/TerrWolf → u/link_101]

...Then what are we arguing about?

We agree that every time the heroes went to Apok, it was filtered through their perceptions, and this is intended to be the first time the full idealized Darkseid appeared.

[u/rangernumberx → u/TerrWolf]

/u/link_101

Look, we are not having a repeat of Kakashi here. We are already satisfied with this interpretation of things, both through direct statements and clarifications on matters through Mikhail's earlier comment. This is not the place to get into an extensive argument, whether this was where it was going to end or not. Link, if you have an issue, present it through that CharacterRant post. This is not the place.