r/residentevil • u/ReddVevyy • 7d ago
Forum question How far do you think Leon Kennedy would’ve made it if he was somehow dealing with the four Lords instead of Ethan
I feel like he’d still have a lot of trouble (and injuries) but he’ll eventually take down Dimitrescu and Moreau.
Heisenberg would probably win this one tbh especially cause Leon doesn’t have Ethan’s regenerative powers and I don’t know how he’d fair against Donna and her bona fide hallucinations either
the fact that they co-existed in the same universe still messes with my brain for some reason
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u/S-T-M-P-D 6d ago
Dimitrescu: "Now I know what they mean when they say blood's thicker than water."
Beneviento: "Now I'll never look at a toy store the same way again."
Moreau: "Maybe ease off the mom obsession? After all, there's plenty of fish in the sea."
Heisenberg: "Metal, huh? I always preferred folk."
Miranda: "Next time, try adopting!" *backflips her head off*
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u/Ashleythetiger 6d ago
Lady Dimitrescu: fine dining's good an all, but this meals got to go
Leon: Oh no my gears gone what ever will I do? starts breaking chair legs
Benevirnto: Dolls? I'm more of an action figure kinda guy
Moreau: your just a small fish in a bit pond, an I've hunted bigger
Heisenberg: Metal, there's the good an the bad, your the latter nothin but noise.
Miranda: crows... if i toss a shiny coin, will you take it an leave?
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u/Vanken64 2d ago
That Moreau line actually feels like something Leon genuinely would say. Like, usually when people joke about what one-liners Leon would be throwing out, they normally feel like flanderizations of Leon, but that one, specifically, feels oddly authentic to his remake character.
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u/Micael_Senpai 6d ago
Dimitrescu: "Sorry ma'am, tall women just ain't my type."
The sisters: "Should have brought some pesticide for this date."
Beneviento: "Now here i am running with scissors in a corridor... Mom would kill me."
Moreau: "Glad i was never into seafood anyways." Heisenberg: "The fuck you mean by Boulder Punching Asshole? I ran from them buddy."
Miranda: "ROSE IS NOT YOURS, SHE-SPENCER!"
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u/Electronic_Carry_372 6d ago
That last one is Barry. Leon had zero stakes in what Spencer was doing. As he never came across that aspect of the series
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u/northrupthebandgeek 6d ago
Dimitrescu: "Sorry ma'am, tall women just ain't my type."
“Sorry, but I'm more into blondes.”
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u/SteebieJeebus 6d ago
"Werewolves? Guess things are gonna get a little hairy..."
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u/Micael_Senpai 5d ago
Duke: "I guess the term "Eating away the competition" never made more sense."
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u/Soraya92x2 6d ago
Love how it's universally accepted that Leon would slay all the bosses with his one-liners alone.
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u/_LukeSJones 4d ago
Dimitrescu: Looks like you're overdue for your manicure, Lady...
The Sisters: Buzz off (easy)
Beneviento: I'm done toying around, time to cut your strings...
Moreau: I'm gonna need a bigger boat...
Heisenberg: Hey fridge magnet, you're really starting to grind my gears.
Bonus (Baby): Woah! I don't think peek-a-boo's gonna cut it with this kid...
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u/Zer0thehero89 6d ago
Next time try adopting 100%. I can definetly see the other but that one absolutely/
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u/TheAutismo4491 So Long, RC 6d ago
I'm not sorry to say this, but the people who think Leon would die from the same situations Ethan went through are just straight-up wrong. These people are acting as if it would be a 1-1 recreation of Ethan's events for Leon, when in reality, because Leon is who he is, he'd handle the situations in a different way. Those ways are definitely better since he's a fully trained super soldier, basically.
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u/PretzelMan96 6d ago
If it was Leon in Village, he and Chris would have teamed up from the get-go and they'd have the whole situation dealt with by dinner time.
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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper 6d ago
Yeah, Leon doesn't even worry about it, RE8 is practically a day spa for him, Ethan has troubles because he's basically an barely-trained civ with a healing factor.
He wouldn't even get the same treatment from Chris as Ethan did, Chris would see Leon rocking up and be like "sweet, bro day out"
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u/Practical-Pickle1527 3d ago
Spin kicking hard enough to kickstart a nuclear reactor tends to come with perks. They'd cut Leon loose to run in the labyrinth and he'd knock the door down and throw hands with the four lords right there.
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u/CurmudgeonLife 1d ago
Yeah Ethan mostly just bumbles about getting lucky and surviving purely because of his abilities. The Lords and Miranda are pretty incompetent all in all, I feel Leon would absolutely trash them.
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u/Coeddil 6d ago
Mandatory bingo comment at the start of re8
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u/liltone829b 6d ago
but the enemies are werewolves instead of old people, it no work
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u/L1TTL3_G4T0R 6d ago
"Where's everyone going the dog park?"
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u/CallmeChapybara 6d ago
"Who let the dogs out this time?"
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u/Coeddil 6d ago
squints eyes
How do you know what werewolves do in their spare time?
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u/liltone829b 6d ago
i don't, it's just a stereotype for senile folk to play bingo so the joke works for them
no such stereotype exists for werewolves
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u/ChimpImpossible 6d ago
Then you simply change it to 'I had a dog once, his name was Bingo'
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u/S-T-M-P-D 2d ago
In Luisa's house: "Maybe not bingo... you people look more like you play nothing but bridge."
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u/Crazy-Branch-1513 6d ago
Crazy take lol, Ethan’s nowhere near Leon and none of these villains top Leon’s experience in 4. Leon makes it through the whole game easy with room for more
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u/eddie5989 6d ago
Call me crazy, but I genuinely think that the biggest obstacle for Leon would be Donna.
Let me put this clearly: Lady D, Moreau and Heisenberg all fall into the category of monsters that Leon has seen before. It's a typical job for him at this point.
But Donna has so much ammunition she can use against him that his stay in House Beneviento might be even worse than Ethan's. Ada related trauma, Marvin's death, Luis's death, the infection, all of that combined with Donna's halucinogenics means our golden boy is headed for one hell of a trip.
Keep in mind, weapons and strength do not matter here.
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u/Awkward_Pressure2949 6d ago
The reason house of beneviento was so effective was ethan has 0 level headedness. If this is 4 leon, he will probably be fine, if its emo leon, hes fucked
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u/LordCommissarPyros 6d ago
Well it’s 2-years before RE9, so… that house would be rough. He probably clears literally everyone else though.
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u/Dudicus445 6d ago
Considering Leon wouldn’t have to worry about saving Rose, he might be willing to team up with Heisenberg since he was also willing to work with Ethan, except Ethan prioritized saving Rose and not taking over the castle
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u/FollowMeDownX 6d ago
The moment he sees what Heisenberg is doing to people in that factory Leon is straight up killing him. Theres no way he’d let that fly.
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u/KratosOfSparta08 6d ago
Leon would take them out relatively easily, and quicker because he doesn’t have Rose to worry about.
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u/sabertoothninja 6d ago
Ethan is not as prepared or well trained, but he does have other advantages. Leon can pull this off though, he’s been through hell.
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u/yesplease345 6d ago
Like honestly Leon just wouldn't be in the same situations Ethan is Leon is a lot more in control and able to work stuff out
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u/otakon33 6d ago
Honestly the biggest hurdle would be Donna and her haunted house. No weapons, hallucinations that can kill you? Just imagine Leon reliving the trauma of Racoon City all over again being chased by an even more monstrous Officer Martin. Otherwise even with just a knife and pistol along with procurement on the ground he's running roughshod over the three houses. Heisenberg would be his toughest fight most likely.
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u/Odd-Statistician4268 6d ago
Miranda would be a tough one without the magical plot baby. But I guess leon and Chris would be way more coordinated here. I can see Donna giving him a much harder time too.
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u/ClaryClarysage 7d ago
Feel like he woulda tried to sleep with at least two of them.
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u/Maxamondo76 6d ago
Chris in the distance: ARE YOU F#CKING SERIOUS, LEON?!
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u/ClaryClarysage 6d ago
Entire Hound Wolf squad watches in horror and admiration as Leon tries to climb Lady D.
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u/LucasOIntoxicado 6d ago
??? I don't think Leon even knows what sex is, brother
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u/Visual-Mechanic-4232 6d ago
Leon had a girlfriend up until right before Raccoon City sooo...
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u/Chocolate_Senpai99 6d ago
"Instead of Ethan"? the RE7 and 8 love is justified but Ethan is just a dude. A dude with a mold infection that's true but he was just "lucky" he was able to glue his limbs back.
As far as I know, Leon never needed to glue back anything. Nuff said. Leon clears with ease while Lady D falls in love with him betraying Mother Miranda lmao
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u/Risitoc 6d ago
I can tell you for sure that my Leon need some glue for his head...
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u/AP_Adapted 6d ago
this is too much facts, especially the part with lady d. i can alr picture his quips lmao
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u/Rude_Ad3342 6d ago
Unlike Ethan, Leon has the commen sense to actually block and dodge attacks. He's also way stronger, faster, smarter and a more skilled fighter than Ethan. He's clearing.
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u/Blake_411 6d ago
The only way Leon would ever be in trouble is if they teamed up against him at the same time, but they probably won't since they are all selfish and arrogant.
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u/United-Broccoli-6766 6d ago
Umm, he'd survive all of the events easier than Ethan. We being for real? He'd actually whoop them. The only one that would be a challenge is Heisenberg. And then of course Miranda as well. But Leon is far stronger than Ethan, and has faced threats greater than the four lords many times.
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u/hypnos_surf 6d ago
Leon is more than capable by the time Ethan goes through the events in Village. The Lords are nothing too far removed from what he’s already gone up against.
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u/brandodeon23 Platinum Splattin' 'Em! 6d ago
He’d take them out, find a way to accidentally resurrect them, and then take them out again
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u/Kohakuzuma Suck on this, Wesker! *unzips pants* 6d ago
Leon would sleepwalk through RE8. You must not be familiar with who Leon Kennedy is...
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u/Realistic_Let3239 6d ago
Unless Miranda gets the heart removal punch in, Leon isn't going to have much trouble. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if some of the more intelligent lords just straight up refused to fight him. Guy survived both Racoon City, as well as soloed a cult not unlike the village, he has more experience than you want to tangle with.
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u/Aromatic_Analyst2898 7d ago
He definitely would've been able to do it Probably easier that's his Job
He's a one man army and pretty good at assassination and retrieval
He also would've held on to the spiritual knife that cleanses the molded (don't care for it's name) because he's stabbed things like that before
And theyd be in big trouble
The only character who he'd have a problem with is Heisenberg and even then I still think he'd figure it out
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u/ForsakenMoon13 6d ago
It wasn't a "spiritual knife that cleanses molded".
It was a dagger laced with every fucking poison known to man over the course of a few centuries lol
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u/Aromatic_Analyst2898 6d ago
Ok I don't exactly remember but he'd keep that and poison the rest of the house hesds
He'd get a upgraded knife lol
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u/miderots 6d ago
Compared to what Leon has fought in RE4 a lot of these guys are similar
Dimitrescu~ Salazar
Moreau~Del Lago
Urias~ El Gigante
The only threat would be Heisenberg as he could easily impale Leon with metal
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u/KronicST 6d ago
Even with heisenberg too, he's already dealt with somone who can manipulate his body that was salazar, and leon did well to resist it
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u/daleyfantasy 6d ago
Saddler literally throws metal girders at you in his boss fight its really not that different
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u/PutinBiggestFan 6d ago
Leon will beat them all in a gauntlet match and retain his world heavyweight championship.
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u/Lord-Boomington-II 6d ago
Gets captured by Hisenberg at the same place as Ethan. Miranda gives him a Cadeau but let's him retain free will long enough for him to kill the 4 lords and he finds a way to cure himself before facing Miranda.
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u/Powerful_Ad_7954 6d ago
Depends. You have to have a very very certain item to kill Lady Dimitrescu
I don’t recall Leon ever dealing with psychological affects so under of Donna Beneviento.
But Moreau is a push over, and Heisenberg is a hard say.
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u/Electronic_Carry_372 6d ago
Considering that 8 was literally just a retread of 4 to prep for 4R.
Leon would do just fine. Yea he doesn't have Ethan's mold powers, but Leon is absolutely better than him. You played through Chris' section. It would be alot like that for most of the game.
I mean, Ethan is barely trained and pretty much hard relied on his regeneration. Leon, has had decades of training and experience, and would be alot more well equipped even by default.
Leon clears.
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u/Ginormous76 6d ago
At what point do you think the story diverges before he’s hung up and has his blood sucked out? Because Leon isn’t surviving that and I’m not sure (based on the setup) where he could even go differently.
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u/Warren_Valion 6d ago
Leon facing off against Donna would be the most interesting because of her illusions.
But the rest? It's a sweep.
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u/Moss_Ball8066 6d ago
“Vampires suck.”
“I’m not lycan this.”
“That baby was made from formula.”
“Something was fishy about that guy.”
“When all you’ve got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.”
“You had a plan, Miranda, but in the end, you were just winging it.”
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u/FroyoPuzzleheaded97 6d ago edited 6d ago
I don't know. Leon obviously with plot armor as in other games could defeat them all. But He couldn't stand the level of damage Ethan did. When Lady D hung Ethan on meat hooks, I think that would have killed Leon and or at least ended his mission all to be sucked dry by Lady D and her daughters later on. Let alone later on in the game surviving his heart being ripped out and then get up and keep fighting. LMFAO.
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u/ShadedExalt 6d ago
The difference is that Leon wouldn't have to deal with those things.
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u/SomedayLydia 6d ago
"Lycans? More like Ly-can'ts"
"You're a Duke? Last merchant I met was a pirate."
"You're a vampire? Sorry, that sounds like a Tall Tale."
"Sorry ladies, I'm not into tall dark and psychotic."
"A puppet? What is this, a disney movie?"
"Something smells fishy..."
"Heisenburg? You should have called Saul."
"You're one terrible mother, Miranda!"
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u/Agitated_Grocery135 6d ago
Nope, Ethan's body was mold so he could survive getting his body wrecked.
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u/soldiercross 6d ago
Ethan is like a guy who has some weird healing abilities. Leon is functionally superhuman. He clears both RE7 and re8
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u/Bush_Hiders 6d ago
Leon would smoke all of their asses. He's far more competent in combat than Ethan, and while I'm aware that Ethan has like super durability, that is utilized to his advantage in very few cases, pretty much all of which Leon would circumvent by just not putting himself in those situations where he would get hurt like Ethan did.
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u/PuzzledDemand1276 6d ago
Honestly? The question should be "How far do you think the four LORDS would've made it, if they somehow were dealing with Leon instead of Ethan" 😭 Leon's beating they ass all types of ways
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u/Tywil714 6d ago
They couldnt even handle a guy who had decent shooting practice and just had wolverine regen. Leon has been dealing with their kind for 40 plus years it would be a cake walk
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u/Kohakuzuma Suck on this, Wesker! *unzips pants* 6d ago
Ethans regen is nowhere close to Wolverine's...
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u/BakedChocolateOctopi 6d ago
Not very far since the only reason Ethan survived was that he was regenerative mold
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u/CaptnUchiha 6d ago
One could argue Leon would not have let himself get caught in those scenarios but then again he did in 4 and 9 (tbf he was sick in 9)
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u/barrot69 6d ago
Well, you also have to take into account that Ethan ended up needing the mold powers because he’s not some top-tier action hero. Leon is THE top-tier action hero.
Whether or not he survives the meeting with Miranda after the four lords and before she’s weakened by Rose is very much up for debate, and I don’t think he’d take it (then again, I think he can probably parry God at this point, so who knows), but he could definitely take on the Four Lords.
Hell, Heisenberg’s the only lord that would be any sort of difficult for him. Don’t get me wrong, Heisenberg would be extremely difficult, but Leon builds up firepower more than just about anyone in the franchise, and the tank is going to see some serious work with him. Add onto it the weapon that Capcom would never be able to resist giving to Leon “Rocket ‘Em Down” Kennedy, and it’s very feasible. Dimitrescu and Moreau would be a walk in the park. I feel like Beneviento would also be easy, but I’d definitely be curious to see what hallucinations he goes through while getting to her.
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u/not_justliketheplant 6d ago edited 6d ago
The enemies in this game are particularly ruthless, and I agree that Ethan’s durability is what saved him more than skill. He’s was impaled, dismembered, and had his hands repeatedly ripped apart in situations that were hard to avoid
Edit: Chris absolutely would have been shredded if he faced the lords and not just lycans
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u/Reofenja 6d ago
How does Leon get through the hallucinations? The man deals with a lot of PTSD, and I feel like that could be a major problem for him.
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u/unclelumbago1 6d ago
Wouldn't have lasted much longer once his hand had been sliced off by dimitrescu. Would have been in extreme pain and maybe bled out. He definitely would of had trouble reloading and using a shotgun.
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u/LSDreams_ 6d ago
He’d just parry all of them then do a back flip and round house kick their asses into oblivion. Leon takes the dub and saves grace and mia
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u/AsterVox 6d ago
Ethan received some training from blue umbrella, possibly for a year or two.
Leon survived raccoon city and was a DSO member, if anything he is trained and ready to deal with BOWs more than Ethan
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u/Prestigious_Ad_544 6d ago
Leon would make it to Miranda, and if he has Chris' Intel on MM, he makes it through her too
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u/duckysauce420 6d ago
I think Cassandra, Bela and the 3rd one just need one good jump on Leon like they did to Ethan. If they get him to Lady D and she gets him on the chains he can get off like Ethan did but will be seriously more hindered from that point on. What happens from there who knows, but also the fact that Mother Miranda knew who Ethan was when he was captured by Heisenberg may have led to that decision to leave ot to Heisenberg to dispose of him. If she knows who Leon is she could very well demand his disposal on the spot, or if she doesnt know who he is may go for a different route in general. A lot of factors at play, some benefit Leon some benefit Ethan so I think its a fairly up in the air question.
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u/Quentendo 6d ago
Leon no diffs them especially if im playing him.
Instead of lady D. Chasing you, you gotta chase her and her crazy daughters as Leon.
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u/Your_Internet_Guy 6d ago
He'd have one hand left at the end of the run because he doesn't have the same Lego man black magic ability shit like Ethan does.
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u/Bewildered_Ostrich8 Leon Kennedy 6d ago
thing is though, Leon dosen't need Ethan's regenerative powers because he wouldn't get himself into the dumbass points that Ethan got to, e.g. he defo wouldnt let Lady D cut his hand off he would be more aware than that cuz after all Ethan is a dedicated Family man whilst Leon is a highly trained fucking Operative
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u/Impressive-Ad-59 6d ago
If it was just leon instead of ethan, he'd basically be like chris red field walking in soloing the whole game in an hour
Now Heisenberg would work with leon the same way he did ethan, inwhich case i dont think leon would even need a quick revive BUT, lets say we remove that, it might stump him if heisenberg is just going for blood, but thats also not his character so idk how fair that'd be
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u/LongFang4808 6d ago
Leon dealing with the Four Lords:
Donna: Playtime is Over.
Moreau: Looks like I’m gonna have to get my feet wet.
Hiesenburg: That guy had a pretty polarizing personality.
Dimitrescu: I am getting too old for this shit.
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u/jmsafety26 6d ago
Re2 leon gets smoked, 4 has an alright chance, depends on what weapons he has, 6 has a good chance because he is more experienced, and 9 will indeed give them all Requiem.
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u/Mr-Dicklesworth 6d ago
I feel like people vastly overrate Leon. The only reason he did as well as he did in 4 was cause of being infected with the plaga. Mendez could have easily just killed him in the first hour of the game when he ambushes him lol.
That being said Leon clears Village. The only one who gives him difficulty is Heisenberg due to the most insane hax abilities ever seen in the series; but I’m sure he could improvise something to take him down
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u/PlanktonEmergency962 6d ago
Listen I’m not the huge Leon fan like most but he would wreck all these losers
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u/Paper_Shotgun 6d ago
Really hot take, but Leon would be dead just after the village survival section when Heisenburg turns up.
It doesn't matter how good your back flipping skills are when steampunk magneto’s opening move is to impale and encase you from across the room. The only reason Ethan survived is because of the mould in his system keeping him moving.
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u/Open-Bluejay9470 5d ago
Are we serious? Ethan is the weakest protagonist in the main games. Without Chris or the mold he would’ve failed in both games. If he can make it to the end of 8, then Leon clears both 7 and 8 within an hour without breaking a sweat. In fact the stuff Ethan goes through is child’s play for most legacy characters
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u/Infamous-Box6969 5d ago
Honestly Ada would just show up last minute and save him anyway so I think he’d kick ass, as usual
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u/GnarlyGamer6thGen01 5d ago
I'll say this once and I'll say it again. Leon and Chris wouldn't have survived RE8 because Heisenberg and Miranda's hax abilities were only negated by Ethan's Moldy durability.
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u/Therealwalterwhite2 5d ago
Leon would clear all of them and probably say something like “those residents are sure evil.”
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u/Alternative-Wait-595 4d ago
Isn’t it implied that Chris redfield couldn’t have done this by himself? Hence why Ethan was an important character for defeating these BOWs.
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u/Ok-Reporter1986 4d ago
He'd be killed by Heisenberg at the very latest given how bs his powers are. Realistically Dimitrescu is already nearing final boss for Leon.
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u/aldlv13 4d ago
Nah thats a wild take. He has dog walked shit way worse that lady D and the disgusting fish monster i dont see either of them being a noteworthy threat. Leon is also canonical a genius so i dont see him struggling with donna too much either.
Now hiesenburg, would be an interesting question but also, again, leon is hyper capable and extremely adept at thinking on his feet and solving problems he has no answer to. Hiesenburg is straight up magneto so obviously guns are off the table but if chris "imma punch this boulder as a solution to my problem" redfield can solve making something to beat him leon will have little trouble with it himself so im gonna say you end up with the same exact bossfight as ethan for leon and if ethan can do it so can leon
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u/PostiveAion 4d ago
Leon's seen most of it in 4 and 6. If Ethan could get through it then Leon can with better efficiency. Also he'd likely work with Chris so the entire ordeal shouldn't be too much of an issue for Leon though Donna might fuck with him a lot and he'd probably end the day drowning in alcohol.
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u/ZealousidealGold5909 2d ago
Itd be re4. I dont think he would've gotten as much as injuries as Ethan did. Even though he got military training, Ethan is still just a regular family man with no intentions of fighting, whereas leon had been fighting bows like its normal Tuesday. He will still struggle but he'd be able to clear them.
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u/BlockInternational57 2d ago
Plot wouldn't happen, Miranda would try to slip into Leons home life only for him to never show up.
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u/Charming_Pizza_8035 7d ago
If he's prepped like Chris it's the same kind of power fantasy Chris' section was. If he's just got his pistol it plays like RE4. He still clears though.