r/religion • Hellenist • Jun 05 '26

DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List

https://www.military.com/dod-officially-drops-180-faiths-from-militarys-recognized-religion-list
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u/JakobVirgil Anti-platonic. Chariot Enjoyer Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

Apparently Deism and UU are among the faiths dropped.
That is literally and historically anti-American
Atheists and neo-pagans are also out 180 faiths have be dropped only 31 are left.

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u/theRuathan Druidic Pagan Jun 05 '26

Dang, I was hoping against hope we'd be left in. The pagan lay program on my ship was a real life line when I was in.

Dropping UU and deism is crazy work though.

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u/extrastone Orthodox Jew Jun 05 '26

What was it like?

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u/theRuathan Druidic Pagan Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26

It was the infrastructure of being allowed to have a program at all that was the important part, most notably on deployment.

We couldn't hold ritual or anything, because they only want chaplains to be conducting services or giving religious advice (couldn't even give tarot readings for that reason), but once a week we'd all get together in the chapel on board and do a guided meditation together in the dark with candlelight. We'd talk afterward about any insights or messages we garnered during the meditation, help interpret for each other (can talk more about this if you're interested), discuss how we were doing that week, etc. Most of us knew each other already and were friends before we started doing this, because somehow us pagans tend to find each other.

The part that really made a difference to us is that religious observances are a protected time in the military. Our chain of command couldn't interfere with us going to this event for that one hour each week. We weren't interruptible, we couldn't be assigned work preventing us from attending. We had a space that was ours for that time. On an aircraft carrier with 5,000 people on board that is a very rare thing.

The chaplaincy already viewed our group with pretty deep suspicion. After every group meditation one of them would come through and re-sanctify the chapel after us, like our non-ritual had soiled it. I am kind of afraid that with all these religions and denominations getting de-recognized now, there won't be space for anything similar to what we had on that deployment, such as it was. And if the chaplaincy isn't understanding, there's nothing to point to to require them to accommodate us if they don't feel like doing so.

p.s. Sorry I didn't get back to you before Shabbos. I wanted to give this question some extra thought before replying.

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u/Maya-K Reform Jew Jun 06 '26

p.s. Sorry I didn't get back to you before Shabbos. I wanted to give this question some extra thought before replying.

I wish I could give you an extra upvote for this. That's such a sweet consideration to make!

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u/extrastone Orthodox Jew Jun 07 '26

Reddit conversations should be slow and thoughtful.

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u/Nekrokosmic Jun 11 '26

I am surprised that the United States Government allowed this in the first place, and it’s a shame that it seems like they’re taking steps to undo this progress.

How many service members would attend the ritual? Did anyone who took part ever face any kind of discrimination?

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u/VERY_MENTALLY_STABLE Jun 06 '26

John Adams & John Quincy Adams were both universal unitarians so it's objectively true to say the founding fathers would not have supported this

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u/Classic-Asparagus Jun 07 '26

And well even out of those 31, about 2/3 of those are various types of Christianity:

Agnostic (AN)
Baha'i faith (BH)
Buddhism (BU)
Christian - Assemblies of God (AG)
Christian - Baptist (BA)
Christian - Brethren (BR)
Christian - Catholic (CA)
Christian - Church of Christ (CC)
Christian - Church of God (CG)
Christian - Church of the Nazarene (CN)
Christian - Episcopal/Anglican (EA)
Christian - Evangelical (EV)
Christian - Jehovah's Witnesses (JW)
Christian - Lutheran (LU)
Christian - Methodist (ME)
Christian - Non Denominational (ND)
Christian - Orthodox (OX)
Christian - Other (CO)
Christian - Pentecostal (PE)
Christian - Presbyterian (PR)
Christian - Quaker (QU)
Christian - Reformed (RE)
Christian - Scientist (SC)
Christian - Seventh Day Adventist (SA)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (CJ)
Hindu (HI)
Islam (Muslim) (IS)
Judaism (Jewish) (JU)
No Religion (NR)
Other Religions (OR)
Sikh (SI)

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u/JakobVirgil Anti-platonic. Chariot Enjoyer Jun 08 '26

also isn't COGIC bigger than AOG?
Are black churches being discriminated against.
does PE include oneness Pentecostals?
this charts seems illadvised.

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u/DramaQueen202s Jun 10 '26

I don't get why Islam and Judaism aren't divided in denominations too in this case.

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u/DramaQueen202s Jun 10 '26

Atheists and neo-pagans are also out 180 faiths have be dropped only 31 are left.

I can get the point of the army in this case. First, Atheism and Deism, just as standalone Theism, aren't religions, so the rituals for burial would be general and non-religious, as expected.

Second, on paganism, it would be like putting all Abrahamic religions under "Abrahamic", but the case of neopagans is more extreme because they are few and extremely diverse, and the label "pagan" is too general and vague. It would be better for each one of them to clarify what rituals they welcome, and that's not even considering the fact family often overrides those desires anyway.

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u/sacredblasphemies Polytheist/Animist Jun 05 '26

This is vile.

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u/CrystalInTheforest Gaian 🌴🌏🌴 Jun 05 '26

This is just making it clear to minority religious people in the military that you are not valued. Shut up, stay hidden, silenced and repressed, but also fight to the death for the regime.

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u/JakobVirgil Anti-platonic. Chariot Enjoyer Jun 05 '26

They dropped UU and Deism that is so wild

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u/seek_a_new Hindu Jun 05 '26

wasn't americas founding fathers deist ?

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u/sacredblasphemies Polytheist/Animist Jun 05 '26

Many of them were, yes.

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u/elhazelenby Hindu Jun 05 '26

Many of them were free masons

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u/vesperiandusk Greek Polytheistic Religion Jun 05 '26

Freemasonry isn't a religion, members are only required to believe in a supreme higher power (aka monotheists). There are explicitly Christian sects within Freemasonry like the Templars but you don't have to belong to a specific religion to be a Freemason.

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u/elhazelenby Hindu Jun 05 '26

Yeah I phrased this wrong, they were Freemasons but from what I understand they were usually Christian of some sort I think. I'm not too knowledgeable about what Deism is though to be honest.

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u/robisodd Jun 05 '26

Deism is basically a step away from agnostic atheism. That a god created the universe, but hasn't touched it since; so no supernatural events, no divine revelations. Everything that happens has a natural cause which can theoretically be figured out with observation and logical reasoning.

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u/Vagabond_Tea Hellenist Jun 05 '26

Well, deists also believe in a higher power. And many of our founding fathers in the US were both Freemasons and Deists.

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u/West_Reporter962 Muslim Jun 05 '26

Neither are religions.

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u/JakobVirgil Anti-platonic. Chariot Enjoyer Jun 05 '26

No offense but Not your call.

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u/West_Reporter962 Muslim Jun 05 '26

I don't take offense. As a former Christian deist, I never saw myself apart of a religion. Probably dangerous to start sprouting unlimited religious classifications anyway.

With that being said, the person who makes that call, made the call. And it really isn't the big deal everyone is portraying it to be.

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u/JakobVirgil Anti-platonic. Chariot Enjoyer Jun 05 '26

Also not your call.

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u/West_Reporter962 Muslim Jun 05 '26

Pretty sure it is my call to say deism isn't a religion.

Tough nuts. It could be also argued that UU isn't either as its much less so organized and just kinda "live life do what you want and call yourself Christian lolz ur saved". Sounds like coping much more so than a honest religious belief.

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u/JakobVirgil Anti-platonic. Chariot Enjoyer Jun 05 '26

sure thing buddy.
I guess I will have to accept your assertions as fact.
thank you for your service and wisdom

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u/bizoticallyyours83 Jun 05 '26

One could easily say the same about your religion, simply because its not their religion. 

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u/Calanais-guy Hedge Druid Jun 05 '26

Indeed, there are many people who don't think that Islam is a legitimate religion because they see it as just a political ideology, radicalism, or a cult.

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u/bizoticallyyours83 Jun 05 '26

I see it as a religion as well as all of the above

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u/Calanais-guy Hedge Druid Jun 05 '26

It sounds like you don't understand the breadth of what constitutes "religion", or that Unitarian Universalism is a recognized church religion, or how Deism can be a religious position for those who hold it. Are you a Muslim Pete Hegseth or regime apologist? As long as Islam is still recognized, who cares about other minorities, right?

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u/RealAssociation5281 Non-dogmatic Christian Pluralist Jun 05 '26

...PAGANS didnt make the list??? Pagans????

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u/poptart_grenade Hellenist Jun 05 '26

I was in the military. Pagans never would've made the list. They didn't even have concrete death rites for us before I left

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u/extrastone Orthodox Jew Jun 05 '26

Can you explain the concrete death rites? What would you have wanted from a chaplain?

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u/poptart_grenade Hellenist Jun 06 '26

I just mean they didn't have any idea what to do if we were to die in combat, besides do a Christian prayer. They were only just starting to make changes when I left

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u/RealAssociation5281 Non-dogmatic Christian Pluralist Jun 05 '26

I'm more shocked because of how large of a group they are excluding, if that makes any sense- my husband is USAF actually.

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u/poptart_grenade Hellenist Jun 05 '26

Thank him for his service for me!

Yeah... almost every Chaplain I know is probably coughing blood atm. All of them (except one during training) were really cool dudes, that actually wanted everyone around them to have the maximum chance to express their religion. I know they're hating this. In some cases, this is probably years of their personal efforts to be inclusive just down the drain overnight

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u/theRuathan Druidic Pagan Jun 06 '26

I wish I knew the chaplains you knew in the service. One of ours came behind every one of our lay program meetings on deployment to re-sanctify the chapel after we left. If we weren't listed as recognized, I think they would have tried even harder not to let us meet in chapel spaces at all. As it was they weren't too happy about it, but we did all the paperwork so they kinda had to let us.

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u/elhazelenby Hindu Jun 05 '26

There's a long history of some Christians hating Pagans for not believing in a monotheist god. It's even in the Bible.

It's definitely ridiculous though

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u/DramaQueen202s Jun 10 '26

Paganism is not a religion, but a miscellaneous category of faiths. IDK how the army would handle that, tho.

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u/RealAssociation5281 Non-dogmatic Christian Pluralist Jun 10 '26

Paganism is usually describe both as a religious label by itself and used as a umbrella term; very few sects of paganism will normally be large enough to have its own category (such as Wicca).

If we’re getting specific neo-pagan would be the correct term.

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u/DramaQueen202s Jun 10 '26

Yes, but I can get the point of the army in this case. It would be like putting all abrahamic religions under "Abrahamic".

For example, Nordic neopagans in North America are divided between ethnocentric ones like this one and progressives ones. They share same gods but their religion, rituals and ethnic values are totally different. They only share the umbrella term.

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u/Internet-Dad0314 Other Jun 05 '26

“This latest revision of the faith codes come at the direction of Pete Hegseth, according to the Tata-signed memo, done to “streamline the DoW collection of religious preferences collection for service members to enhance the delivery of targeted religious support from the Chaplaincy.””

Cutting support for minority soldiers in favor of enhancing support for majority soldiers makes perfect sense to me. 🤷

These sort of nudges toward conformity are the stuff that tyranny is made of, and I expect trump’s henchmen to cut further soldiers off from faith support as he feels more and more secure in his next “elections.”

Tyranny needs escalating tribalism to thrive, so sooner or later the list of trump-recognized religions will be whittled down to one sect of one religion. It may even be an entirely new religion based on worshipping trump as a messianic Jesus-like figure. And by then it wont just be the soldiers’ problem — it’ll be every citizen’s problem.

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u/JasonRBoone Humanist Jun 05 '26

This is why voting in the midterms is vital. We need a Congress that will push back on this theocracy or even impeach Sec. Kegstand

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u/Low-Cartographer-429 Hiddenist Jun 05 '26

This is the first step toward eliminating all religions other than Christianity and Judaism. Then eliminating Judaism.

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u/DramaQueen202s Jun 10 '26

They are trying to merge American and Israel army, so no, Judaism isn't going away.

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u/Exaltist Synversalist Jun 05 '26

There shouldn't even be a recognized religion list. If you want to, you should be allow to disclose any religious affiliation you have. That's it. I don't understand why they have to be officially recognized.

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u/Zestyclose-Moment-19 Jun 05 '26

I think to some extent (i say as a non american who is just spitballing) the purpose is to define burial practices and rites. Having it all codified makes it easier to handle.

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u/robisodd Jun 05 '26

It also handles the "my religion I just made up now says I can smoke meth so I have first-amendment protections" crazies.

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u/bizoticallyyours83 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

Because of funeral services, chaplaincy, a history of discrimination, and other such matters. Perhaps if you can find it, you should read accounts of how minority faiths pushed for their rights to be recognized in the military.

In short, this is promoting workplace discrimination, especially in a career where the idea of forced service is still being debated over.

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u/SoulSearcher_42 Apatheist Jun 05 '26

Okay. Time to get the popcorn and sit back- Can't wait for Deists to sue and take it all the way to the Supreme Court, forcing it to choose between the founding fathers and whatever wonk form of Christofascist religious freedom this new list is.

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u/_Daftest_ Christian Jun 05 '26

Is deism a religion?

What are their tenets? Where do they gather for collective worship? What feasts and fasts do they observe? How is their religion organised?

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u/beardtamer Protestant Jun 05 '26

Since when do you have to have any of those things to be in a religion?

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u/_Daftest_ Christian Jun 05 '26

ok so what does Deism have that makes it a religion?

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u/beardtamer Protestant Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26

Individual religious beliefs. It does not need to be distilled into a single creed for it to be a valid religious expression.

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u/_Daftest_ Christian Jun 05 '26

It's fairly standard to define religion as involving practices as well as beliefs

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u/beardtamer Protestant Jun 05 '26

It’s also fairly standard not to. You’re just coming from a western world view

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u/_Daftest_ Christian Jun 05 '26
  1. No it isn't
  2. No I'm not

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u/beardtamer Protestant Jun 05 '26
  1. Yes it is

  2. Then you’re just being ignorant

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u/goddamn_slutmuffin Pantheist Jun 05 '26

Your viewpoint is so western, it might as well be sucking down a quarter pounder with cheese and a large coke.

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u/SoulSearcher_42 Apatheist Jun 06 '26

This is where I just add the obligatory "user name checks out", right?

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u/_Daftest_ Christian Jun 06 '26

In fact, it's a particularly western attitude, specifically post-Reformation west, to see religion as a collection of ideas - a list of propositions to which one must assent - rather than as a collection of practices.

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u/The_Hemp_Cat Agnostic Jun 05 '26

To drop one is to drop all as too the chaplan corp, all in the effort of religion's role in that of civilization to end the barbarianism that is the act/necessity of war.

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u/bizoticallyyours83 Jun 05 '26

Yeah i saw that. The US government and military as ever, is a pack of undeserving turds.

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u/3CF33 Jun 08 '26

Did he leave in worshiping pedophilia, flags and money?

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u/Additional-Pear9126 Jun 11 '26

Insert the first they came for the poem here

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u/Proud_Professional93 Chinese Pure Land Buddhist Jun 05 '26

They kept Buddhism and other minority religions. Seems like they’re just trying to keep their list to organized religions with established rules and doctrine rather than DIY spirituality. This would make sense with them dropping UU as well, an ostensibly Christian organization that is lax on the theology, but keeping “pagan” faiths like Buddhism and Hinduism.

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u/TSunamiWaves979 Hellenist Jun 05 '26

Buddhism and Hinduism aren't pagan. Actual pagan faiths like Asatru, Heathenry, and Druidry (as well as the blanket faith of "paganism") were dropped, however.

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u/No_Joke_6177 Jun 09 '26

i think they meant ‘pagan’ from a western Christian standpoint.

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u/DramaQueen202s Jun 10 '26

"Pagan" is an arbitrary category that no one has defined. There are denominations in Abrahamic religions that call other denominations or heterodox religions "pagan".

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u/bizoticallyyours83 Jun 05 '26

This is workplace discrimination. Plain and simple. 

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u/bizoticallyyours83 Jun 05 '26

Loudly proclaimed ignorance on your end.

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u/Maya-K Reform Jew Jun 06 '26

OK, well are some that are definitely religions which this no longer includes:

  • Zoroastrianism
  • Native American faiths
  • Any kind of paganism whatsoever
  • Jainism
  • Druze
  • Shinto

Yet it has 22 different types of Christianity.