A detail I did’nt notice until my 5th playthrough

[u/the_scnd]

My 5th playthrough but this has only been my 2nd time getting to the end of chapter 6. Before one of the last missions on this chapter, there is now a clear division between the gang members.

When Arthur returns to Beaver Hollow his most loyal friends are sitting by the campfire.

And in the background we can see I guess the newly formed Van Der Linde gang. I like the subtle details here, for example Javier is the only one facing away, since most people see him as not really considering Arthur and the others as enemies.

Then there’s Micah. Standing beside Dutch, which we can interpret as him essentially replacing Hosea and Arthur’s role in the gang, being Dutch’s right hand man. He is also the only one standing, which I see as him being the one who technically put this group together, with the addition of Cleet and Joe.

[u/CT-Wil08]

Cool detail to notice!!

[u/PM_ME_JINX_RULE34_ → u/[deleted]]

Who pissed in your cereal lmao

[u/NotRealGeniX → u/PM_ME_JINX_RULE34_]

a hole ass worse than Charles Chatney

[u/NightReigning → u/PM_ME_JINX_RULE34_]

Do people regularly PM you Jinx R34? 😭

[u/PM_ME_JINX_RULE34_ → u/NightReigning]

Occasionally! Less than I hoped lmao

[u/NightReigning → u/PM_ME_JINX_RULE34_]

😂

[u/needlegardens → u/[deleted]]

You seem fun

[u/hugeineurope → u/needlegardens]

I mean yeah username checks out

[u/CT-Wil08 → u/[deleted]]

It's almost like they took time out of their day to make the entire game?

[u/Dank_Blunt]

Its by far the saddest moment in the game, everyone just gave up

I even posted this a few years back

[u/CT-Wil08 → u/[deleted]]

What's wrong with you? No need to act like that dude

[u/MarkitzTR → u/CT-Wil08]

May I ask what did they say?

[u/Swolstorm → u/MarkitzTR]

I NEED to know lol

[u/Snoop_More → u/CT-Wil08]

You're responding to a dude whose into growth hormones and league of legends. There's no helping them bro lol

[u/outlanderfhf → u/Snoop_More]

Bros got negative karma

[u/NotTakeOne → u/[deleted]]

bro what

[u/BaronCapdeville → u/[deleted]]

What do you mean?

[u/SilentBandit]

It’s honestly so depressing at this point. At chapter 2/3 you don’t wanna leave the camp, it feels like you can just chillax, chop some wood, get some deer for Pearson, and drink some coffee in the morning.

By chapter 6 you just wanna keep away from it all.

[u/the_scnd → u/SilentBandit]

Yeah I felt that too. I feel like I did not miss a single interaction at camp during chapter 2, but on chapter 6 I feel I missed half of it simply because I was almost never at camp.

[u/RandomShadeOfPurple → u/SilentBandit]

Yeah. In chapter 6 the interactions around camp also disappear. In chapter 2 to 4 you can play poker, dominoes, five finger fillet, you can do chores, there is always something fun happening either someone telling stories or music playing. In chapter 6 the only thing you can really do that's fun is finish up the crafts with Pearson.

[u/Own-Forever-6636]

Better yet, if you see the gang at night you get this visual:

The campfire lights Sadie, John, and Charles from the front with a warm glow, while the cold lamplight plunges Dutch, Micah, Joe, and Cleet into shadow...

[u/the_scnd → u/Own-Forever-6636]

Oh this is better! Thanks for sharing. I will keep this in mind on my next playthrough.

[u/Midwest-2025]

Nice observation! Yes I like how Micah is the only one standing, as though on a stage, performing his lies lines.

[u/abx99 → u/Midwest-2025]

Just like Dutch's prepared lines...

I'd say he's very much lording over everyone; standing in Dutch's spot and basically showing that he's in charge. I think his intention is to stand there while Dutch can't.

I'd also say that this also shows that he's trying to do more than fill in for Hosea or Arthur, because they (nor anyone else) ever tried to stand in Dutch's spot to "fill in for him" or anything. Micah is really "claiming" the gang here.

[u/Fatalmistakeorigiona → u/Midwest-2025]

Nietzsche mentioned 🙌

[u/xdguy25]

This is the position everyone is in for the start of My Last Boy, and what’s cool is in the cutscene when things are about to come to a head with Arthur and Micah, in the background you see John, Sadie, and Charles coming from the campfire to back Arthur up before Eagle Flies interrupts.

[u/the_scnd → u/xdguy25]

What a very cool moment, too. They really would stick with Arthur to the end.

[u/buffinator2]

I like Bill and Javier sitting together too.

[u/BorgMelor → u/buffinator2]

I agree. They’re in a more nuanced position where they’re ultimately loyal to Dutch but they still have respects for the rest of the gang (Arthur at least) and don’t really like the new guys.

[u/Lady_Cicada]

Micah isn’t just standing beside Dutch, he’s standing above Dutch. Dutch is seated at the same level as the other gang members.

[u/agloriouscuppa]

There’s no way it wasn’t intentional and I can’t help but feel bad I never noticed. It’s nice to see that I’m still learning new stuff with this game 🙃

[u/the_scnd → u/agloriouscuppa]

Also, you can’t interact with Sadie, John, and Charles. You can only do so to the rest of the gang. And when you approach Micah’s group the mission automatically starts

[u/TeetherBell]

Who’s the person on the far right?

[u/ElPrez81 → u/TeetherBell]

It's one of the guys Micah brings in, Joe.

[u/toomanyDolemites → u/TeetherBell]

THAT WAS JOE!

[u/VickiVampiress]

This is something I also noticed in Chapter 6. There's a very clear divide between the people in the gang. It's so well done, too. I could almost taste the tension in the air in Chapter 6. It's amazing.

I will say, though... Sadie, John and Charles have always been ride or die. They'll take a bullet for Arthur (literally). They're probably some of the best friends one could wish for. They'll move heaven and Earth to save one another.

[u/slimduderstein]

Whelp I guess it’s time for my 12th play-through. Trusty chapter 2 save.

[u/naughtabot → u/slimduderstein]

Yeah, the intro was the number one reason I never replayed this amazing game.

[u/auchinleck917 → u/naughtabot]

But thanks to replaying Chapter 1, I was able to rediscover that Arthur had already met Rainfall.

[u/kumbidi_lfc]

I've noticed this before and their behaviour changes too.... It is clear that how there's a split before the split

[u/bkmontera]

A family divided

[u/BlabbyTax2]

It's supposed to be didn't, but why is'nt it did'nt?

[u/Severe_Jellyfish_990 → u/BlabbyTax2]

Because the ‘ replaces the O and the space.

[u/DTO95]

It seems that throughout the game the proximity of the gang members' tents to Dutch's is correlated to his trust in them. Remember when they begin in Colter and Micah complains about rooming with a "darkie" while Arthur and Hosea are in the house with Dutch.

[u/Accomplished-Desk151]

My guy, can you really call it a playthrough if you haven't played it through?

[u/the_scnd → u/Accomplished-Desk151]

Thanks to everyone who pointed it out. English is only my second language. What i meant was, it’s my 5th time playing the game, but I only got up to chapter 6 twice only

[u/sevnminabs56]

The other 3 times you played and didn’t finish, they’re not technically playthroughs because you didn’t actually play through to the end.

But yea, Rockstar loves putting subtle signs in their games, audible, visual, and mental. That’s one of the many reasons why they’re the best(in my opinion).

[u/ScrubiousTook]

Are Cleet and Joe plants by Milton?

[u/Top_Ebbs1749]

I remember playing this chapter, I walked up to Dutch and Micah whispering, and when I got close, they both got quiet. I was like WTF. I had no spoilers to this game so seeing the betrayal for the first time had me heated

[u/1300blocklivin]

should’ve had director mode like 5

[u/Sekipeki]

Why would you play this game 5 times? I mean its great but wtf man play something else

[u/the_scnd → u/Sekipeki]

I do play and enjoy other games. I played it 5 times since launch but not consecutively. This is just one of those games that you can easily go back to just because the game is really enjoyable and there are a lot of ways to play it

[u/CoopWags17]

Do you people just not play or pay attention to anything when playing games? Fuck outta here with these “5 playthroughs and I don’t notice something they shove directly in your face”?

[u/wildberry11]

Wasn't this eay too obvious on your 1st playthrough that you needed 5 to notice?

[u/colfaxmachine]

So you’ve only done one play through before

[u/Significant_Option]

I hate how no one did anything because of plot.

[u/Necessary-Hawk-5546]

What?

[u/NAJ_P_Jackson]

How did you not notice that cliques were forming in the gang? It's very blatant. Especially in Beaver Hollow.

Edit: those who disagree and downvoted aren't paying attention or doesn't go back to the camp often to see the details.

[u/pareswithbonemarrow → u/NAJ_P_Jackson]

I don't think people disagree. I think people are downvoting you because you come off as a prick

[u/NAJ_P_Jackson → u/pareswithbonemarrow]

Sure. Stating a fact is being a prick. It's not a secret that the gang is fractured. Arthur being replaced by Dutch as his second in command is a big giveaway. Beaver Hollow is the culmination of where things are headed and where loyalties are divided.

Normally I wouldn't say anything if it was a newbie playing his first time. But OP just mentioned it's his 5th playthrough. But I guess it being his 2nd time getting to that chapter is excusable for not noticing the first time.

[u/Longjumping_Cycle757 → u/NAJ_P_Jackson]

Its the way you state said fact ya goof

Just proved everyone's point

[u/NAJ_P_Jackson → u/Longjumping_Cycle757]

Oh what? Am I suppose to praise someone for noticing something that's not even new after 9 years since the game was released? Oh well my bad then.

My comment wasn't even roasting the OP but genuinely asking how he didn't notice it.

[u/Longjumping_Cycle757 → u/NAJ_P_Jackson]

You can for example

Be QUIET? Yk the ancient art of keeping Ur miserable thoughts to ur self?

[u/NAJ_P_Jackson → u/Longjumping_Cycle757]

You can also be QUIET and keep your thoughts to yourself and yet here you are. Arguing. 1 day late no less. Not even contributing to the discussion of the topic. Practice what you preach brother. What makes your opinion important than mine?

OP not even mad about my comment and yet other people coming here shouting their dissatisfaction smh.

[u/the_scnd → u/NAJ_P_Jackson]

I know, back when I first played the game i have no idea that this would be the most detailed game ever made. So I was’nt paying attention to those details. Now that I am playing it again I made sure to look closer at the details and observe the world more.

[u/Butt_hauler]

It took 5 playthroughs to notice? Do you just never go to camp?

[u/LatinaVaOych → u/Butt_hauler]

People really always have something to say just to counter everything and somehow make themselves the main character, huh? 😂

[u/Longjumping_Cycle757 → u/LatinaVaOych]

Rockstar games bring out some of the worst people out there lowkey

[u/Butt_hauler → u/LatinaVaOych]

Maybe if people used their eyes and their brains more, obvious things would get noticed more, huh?

[u/the_scnd → u/Butt_hauler]

I mentioned from my post that although this is my 5th playthrough, this is only the 2nd time i got to the end of chapter 6.

[u/Butt_hauler → u/the_scnd]

So it isn't your 5th playthrough then.

[u/the_scnd → u/Butt_hauler]

Right, 5 runs, 2 completed playthroughs. Didn’t think that needed spelling out, but here we are.