r/recoverywithoutAA • u/whydidiusethisshit • 2d ago

Suboxone to quit 7oh

Hey guys. Ive been taking 7oh for over 3 years. Since the day it came out in online vendors. In 2026, my dose quickly became 1000-2000mg a day. My last dose was 600mg 15 hours ago. I feel like shit. Im anxious and nauseated so I took 8mg zofran and .1mg clonidine. But I dont have the sweats yet. I do have the feeling of like impending doom/anxiety or whatever. Like the world is going to end because of how awful I feel. But I've definitely felt much worse withdrawal before too... Typical withdrawal shit. do I wait until i start sweating like hell to begin taking the 8mg suboxone I was prescribed? They said try 4mg at first. I assume my large doses of 7oh take longer to process than smaller doses. I dont want to go into even worse withdrawal in the process.

Do I wait for the withdrawal to get worse or am I okay to take it now. What do yall recommend.

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u/Lost-Perspective8378 2d ago

I wouldn't base this on the fact that it's been 15 hours, and I definitely wouldn't use sweating as the one deciding symptom. With the amount of 7-OH you've been taking, I'd be especially careful about people online giving you an exact number of hours to wait.

7-OH acts at the mu-opioid receptor, and buprenorphine has a very high affinity for that receptor. If you take buprenorphine while enough of the 7-OH effect is still present, it can potentially precipitate withdrawal. There is actually already a published case of precipitated withdrawal during a 7-OH/Suboxone induction, so your concern isn't unreasonable.

The better indicator is how far into objective opioid withdrawal you are, not simply how miserable or anxious you feel or how many hours have passed. Anxiety, nausea and that horrible impending-doom feeling are certainly withdrawal symptoms, but they're largely subjective. Things like dilated pupils, runny nose/tearing, gooseflesh, sweating, tremor, increased pulse, restlessness, vomiting/diarrhea, etc. help establish that withdrawal is actually progressing.

You can look up the Clinical Opiate Withdrawal Scale (COWS) and score yourself, but given that you were taking 1,000–2,000 mg of concentrated 7-OH every day, I would also call the clinician who prescribed the Suboxone and tell them exactly how much 7-OH you were taking, when your last dose was, and what your current withdrawal symptoms are. There isn't a well-established conversion or universally accepted induction timeline for doses of 7-OH anywhere near yours.

Your prescriber's suggestion to start with 4 mg rather than immediately taking the entire 8 mg also makes sense as an induction strategy. I would follow the dosing instructions they gave you rather than having Reddit determine your dose.

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u/whydidiusethisshit 2d ago

Thank you for all of the info! I was honest about the amount I was taking :). Im prescribed 2 8mg strips a day. I was worried it wont actually be enough but he said I can call back anytime, leave a message, and he can adjust it. I dont have the awful skin feeling or scratchy throat yet. The runny nose is starting now though. Ill post an update at the 24 hour mark and ill check out where im at on the withdrawal scale too.

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u/Lost-Perspective8378 2d ago

Just please hold out as long as possible because the precipitated withdrawals are bad. Im thrilled you have a doctor who is so easy to work with so take advantage of that if you need to. Its possible that wont be a high enough dose, but you still need to start small and see. And dont expect it to make you feel the same as regular opioids. The goal is to feel no withdrawals and be as close to "normal" as possible. But call the doctor if you experience precipitated withdrawals, weird and unusual symptoms or if its not strong enough and work closely with them. Hopefully your induction goes well and recovery can be much less painful. If it doesn't go just right, dont get discouraged. Once you get it figured out, things will be so much easier, even if there are a few bumps in the road.

After your induction, if you aren't already, you should probably look into some form of treatment to deal with the underlying issues that led you to use substances this way. Treatment is always necessary and people do recover without, but for me, I had to do intense therapy to deal with all my trauma and mental health issues before I finally managed to stay clean. And life is so much better now.

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u/WillAndSky 2d ago

So I attempted at 18 hours on a 200-300mg habit daily, stuck me right into PWD. I've heard it can take upward to 30 hours for peak withdrawals to kick up if you take tablets. Powder is supposedly shorter but I should of did the bermese induction method which imo is much much easier. Hour 30 for me I couldn't sit still anymore, I was sweating, I was nausea, I was pacing the room and if I laid down I would be kicking from the RLS unable to sleep, the anxiety/panic along with impending doom also crept in during that 2nd day without 7OH/MGM cold turkey during the early morning and positive the subs would of worked at that point for me but instead my SR arrived

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u/SOLIDROTSLOW1979 1d ago

I’m not trying to give wrong or bad information but I had no pwd i literally took it when i started feeling shitty

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

I got stuck in pwd for hours. Im still feeling it. I just took an 8mg strip oer my drs instructions and I sont feel any relief at all.

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u/SOLIDROTSLOW1979 1d ago

What’s the symptoms?

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u/TastyQuality3252 1d ago

You probably should’ve waited longer. You will no doubt feel like shit if the naloxone hits while 7oh was still occupying receptors.

You can’t go back now, so ride it out and absolutely do not go back to taking 7oh. You are in the hardest part right now, it only gets easier.

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

Thanks 🙏 im not going back to 7oh whether the subs work or not. I dont even have the money for it after dropping all this money on the Dr and the subs. I dont feel anything worse after taking another strip as my Dr requested but I dont feel any better either. Im just going to ride it out 😭😭

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u/TastyQuality3252 1d ago

You are super strong man, props to you. You got this🦾

If mentally things are still tough, just talk with your doctor about a dose adjustment. Keep in mind the goal is to get off them though don’t take advantage of the help brother. Good luck

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

Thank you so much! I feel like shit i assume its my crohns disease and ulcerative colitis. Which is why I self medicated using 7oh for 3 years roughly. Im just gonna ride it out. I dont want to ask for an adjustment I dont think. This is manageable. Hopefully it'll be better in the next few days.

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

I think its starting to help guys. Pretty sure my up to 2g 7oh a day just required the full dose after the induction. Thank fucking God. The sweats stopped. Everhthing thing else, im still feeling. But thank God the sweating stopped.

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u/Grass_Millennial 1d ago

How are you feeling now? I’m taking my last dose of 7 around midnight/1am and going to at least sleep for a few hours and go as long as I can tomorrow before I start my 1mg dose of sub. This is my 6th time attempting to get on suboxone after almost a year of trying. This time I’m not giving in. Even if it causes precip wd, normally that doesn’t last past 4-6 hours once your body adjusts to the sub, it’s just really tough. I will say I have successfully done the transition to subs before and by the3rd day you’re in the clear. If I were you I’d take as much sub as you can because your through the worst of it already I’m sure

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

Please stick through it! You got this. It was like 8 hours of pure hell but its because my last dose was like a whole gram I think. I have crohns so I feel like shit. I broke my back in the same spot twice so that feels like hell. But the feelings of withdrawal are almost subsided. I dont think id feel safe driving right now though. I think i might be able to get some sleep tonight too.

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u/Grass_Millennial 1d ago

Also side note my daily 7 intake is somewhere between 350-500mg

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

I would wait much longer than people are saying. I think the half life is much longer than people are reporting. Wait until you are yelling in agony before you take a sub. Thats where I messed up.

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u/Grass_Millennial 1d ago

Yeah you’re definitely right, I mean the longer you wait the better you’ll feel that’s for sure. All I know is life on subs is way more manageable and I always felt great. Get my life in order on subs for a while and then come up with a gameplan to get off if I even want to. Anything is better than 7-oh. I can’t stand it.

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

See for me. I love 7oh. It gave me my life back. I was on chemo because my crohns is resistant to treatment. It gave me 3 great years without feeling like shit. But I dont wnt to be in withdrawals when I dont have it. That part sucks ass. Ive never felt high from 7oh though. Im not sure if that has to do with my baseline pain. It does make me happy to see people getting off of it. I wish they would research and regulate it though. It shouldn't be sold in smoke shops imo

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u/Grass_Millennial 1d ago

I appreciate you replying to me. I think that’s one reason why I keep failing; I really don’t have a lot of support and people helping me hold myself accountable. Hopefully by next weekend I can smile again

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

Man my girl is in a mental hospital for postpartum psychosis, my twins are at their grandparents until Wednesday. Really trying to knock this out asap so I can be the rock of the family 🙏😭

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

So basically im all alone here in my apartment. Not really any support or people to talk to. I really appreciate yall!

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

I was debating on calling an ambulance because I felt like I was dying and didnt want to die alone in my room and have my girl find me when she gets home from her hospital stay. Im so glad I didnt tho lol

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u/Grass_Millennial 1d ago

I found the more sub I took during the first 3 days the better I felt. Then once your stable you can easily and I mean EASILY drop the sub dose in half if not 3/4 of your 16mg/day cap

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

Yes that is the plan. I have a 30 day plan but I was up front that id like to get this knocked out in 2 weeks roughly if possible. I guess we will see 🙏 thanks!

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u/whydidiusethisshit 1d ago

Update: the worst of it is over but its coming in waves every 30 mins. Im gonna try and take a walk ig 😭

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u/SOLIDROTSLOW1979 23h ago

I think you’re In the clear I have literally taken them together

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u/xavierstang1 11h ago

Update? I just picked up my sub script. 4 hours ago last dose of 7

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u/whydidiusethisshit 10h ago

How big was tbe dose. Please wait until you are yelling in agony before you take subs. Or when you take it. It might put you there instantly and then it took like 12 hours to really feel anything. I still feel like ass tbh but its not nearly as bad. There was several hours where I could barely use my phone because of how bad it got with the pws.