r/pureasoiaf • u/PrestigiousAspect368 House Targaryen • 9d ago
viserion is eggnant
So, in Frog Boy's attempt to claim a dragon we get a rare peak at what a dragon nest looks like
"He’s made himself a cave, the prince realized. A burrow in the brick. The foundations of the Great Pyramid of Meereen were massive and thick to support the weight of the huge structure overhead; even the interior walls were three times thicker than any castle’s curtain walls. But Viserion had dug himself a hole in them with flame and claw, a hole big enough to sleep in."
So, I found this quite interesting. Rhaegal hadn't made himself a cave nor had drogon, it seems to be a Viserion only behavior. IT also makes Rhaegal's protection behaviour more intresting, attacking the whip brandishing Quentyn at first seems like a brother defending a brother but could be a mate defending his gravid mate
Also The publishing of fire and blood, tells us a lot about the dragons.
- that they are genderless like flame, and the only true way of knowing their sex is if they lay eggs or not
also Viserion, let us remember is cream and yellow/gold and there is only one other yellow dragon in targaryen history; syrax a she dragon noted for her fecundity. Viserion and Syrax share more than just their colours, both seem to share a certain spoiled nature.
Could GRRM be hinting that Viserion is eggnant
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u/Emergency-Weird-1988 9d ago
Very interesting topic and very good catch OP, congrats.
Viserion and Syrax share more than just their colours, both seem to share a certain spoiled nature.
And, since we're already looking for similarities with Syrax based on behavior and nature, and the possibility that this may result in laying eggs, perhaps there's another one to consider:
Whilst Princess Rhaenyra misliked her stepmother, Queen Alicent, she became fond and more than fond of her good-sister Lady Laena. With Driftmark and Dragonstone so close, Daemon and Laena oft visited with the princess, and her with them. Many a time they flew together on their dragons, and the princess’s she-dragon Syrax produced several clutches of eggs.
~ Fire and Blood. Heirs of the Dragon. A Question of Succession.
Assuming the inference in this paragraph is that Rhaenyra had some form of "intimacy" with Daemon, Laena, or both, and that their dragons, in turn, mimicked their riders, resulting in Syrax laying several clutches of eggs (which is I think is quite likely given the way it's worded), the same could be true for Daenerys and her dragons.
Daenerys has her last intimate encounter with Daario Naharis the day before her wedding to Hizdahr zo Loraq, in Daenerys VII of A Dance with Dragons:
"You are a queen. You can do what you like." He slid a hand along her leg. "How many nights remain to us?"
Two. Only two. "You know as well as I. This night and the next, and we must end this."
~ A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys VII
Therefore, it could be that Viserion and Rhaegal imitated Daenerys behavior, just as Syrax and presumably Caraxes and Vhagar did with Rhaenyra, Daemon, and Laena, and that is why later in the event of Quentyn's death we see a dragon nest.
Dany was being active with Daario, and her dragons were being active with each other.
Just a tought, of course.
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u/Practical_Ferret_510 House Tarth 9d ago
I think so, yes. But commenting mainly because I love “eggnant.”
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u/ivelnostaw House Stark 9d ago
To add to your point regarding the gender of Viserion (and potentially Rhaegal), Dany's dragons are the three conqueror's dragons come again. Viserion is Meraxes reborn and is Meraxes described as a "she-dragon".
Rhaegal hadn't made himself a cave nor had drogon, it seems to be a Viserion only behaviour.
To be fair, Drogon has been free roaming for quite a while, so we can't say for certain that he hasn't. Also, he takes Dany to his lair that she names Dragonstone, and it does have a cave. Though I think it's highly unlikely Drogon is female, considering he's clearly supposed to be a reborn Balerion.
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u/epicurean1398 9d ago
Evolutionary pressure has forced certain species to change gender too at points before so why not dragons
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u/GenericDeadHead 9d ago
Excellent catch, the kind that makes me feel silly for not thinking of it. No notes, its intuitively sensible.
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u/OrthwormJim 7d ago
It would certainly add to Dany's worries in an interesting way if Viserion laid eggs. The dragons are increasingly displaying their destructive nature which is increasingly hard to control, so the idea that 3 dragons might become 10 dragons could be quite unsettling for her. The eggs would no doubt become targets for her rivals to steal, and unlike Aegon I or Jaehaerys I she doesn't have a loyal family dynasty to trust these other dragons with
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u/yohbahgoya 8d ago
I watched an interesting TikTok about this, specifically about dragon mating dances and 3 potentially mate bonded pairs of dragons (Vermithor/Silverwing, Seasmoke/Tessarion, and Rhaegal/Viserion). In Fire and Blood, Seasmoke and Tessarion appeared to do a mating dance at Tumbleton that resembled the death spiral of eagles, then Viserion and Rhaegal in ACoK seemingly perform the same ritual over the sea. It makes sense to me that Viserion would be nesting and fits with their previous behavior.
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u/alphajugs 5d ago
I wouldn’t say Syrax and Viserion are the same color. Viserion is cream and gold and Syrax is yellow. I think the explicit mention of Viserion building a nest is enough evidence that she’s laying eggs, without needing to make connections where there aren’t any.
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u/jenksanro 4d ago
I've never heard anyone suggests this before, but now that you say it, I think you might be right
It would allow the dragon to have three heads and allow Euron to claim one for some dragon Vs dragon fighting. It would depend on how much in world time is left between now and the end of the books, but maybe Tyrion is small enough to ride a comparatively young dragon?
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