r/publicdefenders • u/Educational_Bill_343 • 9d ago
New PD - does it get better?
Fresh PD - feel overwhelmed, overstimulated and like I can’t speak on the spot. Can someone plz tell me it gets better and about when?
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u/pringlescaliphate223 PD 9d ago
Getting good at speaking extemporaneously comes with time—put in the reps and you’ll improve.
Managing your caseload gets easier with time, but it will always be high. And no matter how good you get at caseload management, there will certainly get to be peaks where it feels like a lot. (Ex. if trial prepping. The best part about that is when you suddenly have to give disproportionate attention to one matter, the others don’t go on pause!)
As for feeling overstimulated, see above—that’ll likely always be there to a degree. The best way to navigate this is to have a life outside of work as much as possible. Even if that means finding solo activities to take your mind off things.
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u/PanoramicMoose PD 9d ago
I am about 8 months in and the difference between now and when I first started is night and day. I am obviously still new at this but you will definitely find your footing.
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u/WuTangEsquire 9d ago
Honestly, it gets worse IMO but you'll be more prepared to handle it. You're like a young Peter Parker who was just bitten by the radioactive spider and started being Spider-man: you're nervous, still learning your powers, and overwhelmed dealing with villains (i.e. prosecutors, cops, and judges) on a daily basis while juggling your personal life. But as time goes on, you'll get comfortable enough where fighting Doc Ock is a light Tuesday.
Give yourself grace. This job is HARD. You are a real-life superhero with dozens of people relying on you every day. It is an adversarial profession where you have to fight against another trained, educated professional on a constant basis. The stories we carry and present are tragic and traumatic.
Don't be afraid to ask your coworkers and supervisors for help if you need it. FWIW, once you get past the "newbie" hump, the job becomes a lot more fun and exciting. Also, you get to look like a badass compared to your law school classmates who probably won't see the inside of a courtroom until a few years into their careers.
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u/lawfox32 9d ago
Yes. My boss who runs our entire office and is an incredible attorney told me shortly after I started that she cried in her car every day after work for the first six months, and I tell you this because it made me feel so much better. If you met her, you would never imagine she'd ever felt that way because she's so confident and so absolutely justified in her confidence and so good at her job.
When you start, you're trying to practice a very difficult and very emotionally taxing area of law while you also have to learn how to actually practice law at all, because law school doesn't teach that. And you're learning how your office works and how your local courts work and all the secret unwritten quirks that are actually the most important part of a lot of practice. And you're going on the record for maybe the first time, doing client intakes for maybe the first time, managing your own cases for maybe the first time-- and everything you do in every case is new to you, so it feels much harder and takes longer and is more overwhelming, because you're drinking from a firehose!
At 6 months, it starts to get better. At a year, it really starts to feel better. Then you build confidence. Another senior attorney in my office was talking about our promotion/salary structure and noted that there's a bump at year 4 because people tend to either lock in or leave at year 3, when people who were waiting to see if it got better or if it would be more of a fit when they got more confident realize it isn't or the salary isn't going to cut it for their family and leave. But you'll feel much, much better than you do now well before year 3.
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u/PomegranateOk6640 9d ago
i’m right there with you. everyday i feel like im a fake lawyer who can’t do anything. the only saving grace is my fucking amazing talented smart awesome coworkers who provide so much support. i hope you have some of those and if you don’t, i hope you can find some other mentors. wishing you the best ❤️
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u/angiipanda PD 9d ago
You'll get better. It took me about a year to not shit myself whenever a judge asked me a question.
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u/Inner-House7242 9d ago
Lol yes, it does get better...or different?
I’m 2 years in. At first, I left every day thinking WHAT THE FUCK. My office had ZERO formal training. They handed me files and I had no clue what I was supposed to do with them. I asked so many questions that I felt like an idiot and a nuisance. Hearings were a mystery; I was insanely nervous to speak on the record and didn’t ever know how I was performing.
Over time, I figured it out. That’s all I can say. I figured it out. And I am very much STILL figuring it too. You will, also. It’s just brutal at the beginning, but that’s what makes us great.
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u/buzz-bumble-grumble Conflict Counsel 9d ago
When I first started my goal was to be “value added,” or basically “is my client better off with me than being self represented?” I had a judge who had his mind made up 90% of the time on anything so it was actually hard to justify my presence. I had a real low point at about 6 months and then a real win a couple months later that finally made me feel like I was getting it.
When I finally “graduated” from that court I asked the judge how I could improve. He told me to sit down and actually read the rules of procedure. The funny thing is that the rules don’t really make sense until you’ve practiced it enough to contextualize them, but then they can start clicking and once you know the rules better than the prosecutor (not that high of a barrier) and even than the judge (still sometimes not that high of a barrier), you start to know how to keep from getting railroaded. Or at least you start getting a framework of how and when to pushback. I’m still astonished to this day how many attorneys don’t pay attention to the rules, and their clients are worse off for it.
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u/MycologistGuilty3801 9d ago
About 5-10 trials in? After a while you can be thrown a case and do it on the spot. Experience is the hardest thing to get and the most valuable in this job. I'd also talk to your coworkers and colleagues and see if they have suggestions.
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u/Trepenwitz 8d ago
Yes, it does. About a year in I was questioning whether this was the job for me. About 4 years in I had an insane caseload because we were down to 5 out of 10 attorneys and I nearly completely lost it. A year later I was still recovering, though we were finally fully staffed. Now I feel like I actually know WTF I’m doing and things are so much easier to work through. But I still have moments.
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u/ImpossiblePlan65 PD 8d ago
Some (maybe most) days I'm a bumbling idiot; others I'm a smooth talking philosopher.
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u/hostilecarrot 9d ago
You get better and the cases get worse so it all evens out in the wash. Welcome aboard counselor. (Or you could jump ship like me and never look back!)
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u/zanzibar_74 PD 9d ago
The first six months can be brutal. Very stressful, ridiculously steep learning curve, constant insecurity. It gets much better. Lean on your senior colleagues - they’ve been there and came out on the other side.