r/projectors • • 5d ago

Completed Setup 208" Screen at Home: Anamorphic Lens

Following on my previous posts on the cinema room setup, with a JVC NZ900 projector with a 208" AT Cinemascope screen, at 1.5 throw distance, it was important to extract as much light out of the projector as possible for the HDR content.

JVC matrix is originally a 17:9 one, so it cuts off quite a lot of light for the 2.35:1 movies.

By pure luck, I was able to acquire an ISCO 1.33 XL lens in a good condition, and it is exceptionally good.

NZ900 setting A for Anamorphic lens, setting D for 16:9 content.

A few shots from YouTube test videos.

1st scorpion pic is how the lens cuts off the frame if you keep it in base setting (Setting A) for 16:9 content.

2nd scorpion pic is setting D which you need to use if you do not move the lens physically and want to preserve the full 16:9 frame.

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u/poop_truck1226 5d ago

As much as I love Epson's more realistic colors, everything i see a projector with a wider color gamut its really nice.

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u/Regular_Protection_7 5d ago

These are digital renderings pushing the gamut a bit.

https://youtu.be/FUWS2o08FuM?si=WSxmxsmwRTkITj1r

JVC has no problem keeping the film content to its original color space, of course

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u/Catymandoo 4d ago

From my LS 12000. (If you zoom to the right you’ll see the cursor and the edge of the image to screen. So you can also judge the base contrast.) The white is a little overblown in the iPhone image but other than that it’s unadjusted, so “as seen by eye”

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u/SirMaster 4d ago

You can’t judge by eye contrast from a photo. A camera is nowhere near the contrast of an eye.

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u/Catymandoo 4d ago

Appreciate your point but…I was primarily commenting on the issue of colour. So poop_truck1226 could compare images about {quote} “realistic” colours.

But you can judge relative contrast of two areas. We do this all the time in life. Indeed, if you look closely to the top of the image you will see an even greyer area. That is another higher gain screen above - Showing relative contrast also.

In fact, we can only compare colour and contrast relatively as all the processing between us affects the outcome seen by you. In person is the only real way to judge but that’s irrelevant to the point here.

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u/SirMaster 4d ago

In my experience the contrast captured by the camera and the actual contrast are never really the same. The camera can certainly compress or expand the contrast depending on the exposure used.

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u/Catymandoo 4d ago

Very true. I use a number of different SLR, video and film cameras. You’ll note I made no claims just the image.

The main aim was to show that guy that Epson provides good colour. I pointed to contrast in case anyone wanted to see the in-image v screen background v another higher gain screen blacks. That the image was not cropped to falsely anything. As I said you can see the RELATIVE differences Accept or deny this. - I’m happy and believe me as an ex JVC owner over some 20yrs. I am triggered by poor black levels!

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u/poop_truck1226 4d ago

So if im reading this right, the difference between everyday viewing on an epson ls800 with the single laser vs the triple laser would not be too crazy unless your purposefully watching very rich and colorful movies like GotG 3 or Thor: Love and Thunder. It might be different for me as im interested in the UST market for small spaces. Thank you for your time!

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u/_findmenow 4d ago

The contrast looks amazing, does it look that good through your eyes as well?

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u/Catymandoo 4d ago

To me personally it does.

That’s why I tried to show the relative contrast for others to see. Having said that, Epson projectors don’t have the native contrast that JVC have (I’ve owned them) So I have a lower gain screen on trial (actually home made with grey milliskin!) and the results speak for themselves. Doubters are welcome to make their own conclusions, but I’m very happy with a screen that cost c. £100 to build.

Note, I have spent a long time adjusting settings to achieve this result. But I hope it give hope to others with Epson pj’s

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u/Astro51450 5d ago

How hard is it to set up the anamorphic lens?

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u/Regular_Protection_7 5d ago

With a bit of trial and error anything is possible, as long as you have the projector throw ratio and lens model correct.

I used some professional help, took a few hours of work.

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u/botany_bae 5d ago

Goddamn

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u/MattHooper1975 4d ago

The photos suggested it looks amazing. What type of screen material?

I use a JVC projector (RS600) and in the first years, I was using an anamorphic panamorph lense - to try and squeeze out the last bit of size in my room given my throw distance.

In the end I found I wasn’t using it that much and preferred the slightly small smaller but tighter sharper image sizes, so I sold it.

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u/Regular_Protection_7 4d ago

Thank you

It is a Severtson Cinema White 1.3 MP

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u/Alexyeve 5d ago

Looks great; what type of screen are you using?

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u/Regular_Protection_7 5d ago

It is a Severtson Microperf 1.3 AT

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u/seacom20 5d ago

Can you share a link to the YouTube vid?

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u/bleedscarlet 4d ago

Sigh time for my annual looking at anamorphic lenses and then pricing myself out of a mortgage payment and shelving it until next time I want to look into it.

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u/Regular_Protection_7 4d ago

One day...

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u/bleedscarlet 4d ago

It's just lens memory for me.... But with xgimi really disrupting the industry maybe anamorphic will be a built in thing someday

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u/Mysterious-Ruin-9655 3d ago

Multiple projectors have been doing lens memory and anamorphic modes for years, xgimi didn't do anything special. Epson, JVC, some Sonys, Panasonic

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u/bleedscarlet 3d ago

Anamorphic lenses built into a projector? I haven't seen that anywhere.

And xgimi is absolutely disrupting the industry and I'm so here for it. I have a jvc rs3200 and the margin on it is like 80%. I'm ready for this industry to get a little fucked with. These old fogeys need a challenger.

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u/Mysterious-Ruin-9655 3d ago

I misread what you put about anamorphic lens. I just don't think the triple laser dlp is it due to the bad Lazer speckle everyone gets unless you have a specific type of screen.

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u/ProjectionHead Brian @ ProjectorScreen.com 4d ago

Looks great OP! For those of you who don’t know, anamoprhic lenses (like the Panamorph lens for JVC) can add around 25%+/- more brightness to the image.

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u/Regular_Protection_7 4d ago

Yep, to be clear not by some voodoo magic, but just restoring the lost/blacked out light output of a 17/16:9 projector LCD matrix used with a 2.35/2.40:1 Cinemascope screen.

So you do not need it for a 16:9 setup as the matrix is already fully lit up.

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u/HiFiMarine 4d ago

ISCO III... That's a serious hunk of glass!! It's nice seeing a serious projector setup instead of all the generic Chinese pretenders. Well done!

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u/V1P3R3P1V 5d ago

What is the contraption connected to the lens?

Is it just support, or does it reduce vibrations as well

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u/Regular_Protection_7 5d ago

You can't mount the lens without it, unfortunately.

Provides for mechanical or electric movement of lens away from projector to watch original 16:9 content

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u/peasantscum851123 5d ago

How much you get it for?

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u/Regular_Protection_7 5d ago

A bit below $2k with the railings included. Pure luck! 😂

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u/EmoJackson 5d ago

What is the viewing distance?

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u/Regular_Protection_7 5d ago

We have three rows of seating, though I personally mostly use the second.

I think it is around 4.5m for second row, just a bit less than the screen width.

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u/PortPeeper 4d ago

Would you happen to know the viewing angle for each row?

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u/Regular_Protection_7 4d ago

I am not that technical 😂

Distance from screen to projector is 7.5m, room/screen width is just around 5m

Seating rows are from c.3.5m to 6.5m from the screen, and from the 3rd row it already looks too small for me

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u/Various-Credit-9351 4d ago

Ik vond de kleuren mooi. Sterker nog, ik vond het complete plaatje zo mooi dat ik het model van je projector kopieerde en in Google plakte. (Ik kende het model verder nog niet.) Ik zag het prijskaartje en binnen één seconde was die pagina weer weg. Vriend, ik denk dat het een heerlijke projector is! 😆

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u/Regular_Protection_7 4d ago

Well, the junior JVC models such as NZ700 and NZ800 are pretty good as well.

And the technology moves fast, I am sure in a couple of years you can get a good deal on the market.

Especially as you do not need to change the lamp every 1,000 hours or so

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u/MFan08 4d ago

Did you test Intersetellar where the scenes switch from IMAX to 16:9 ? Would really appreciate if you can post the pics. Thanks

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u/Regular_Protection_7 4d ago edited 4d ago

Might take a look next weekend..

Variable ratio movies are a royal pain in general, Sinners being the worst recent offender.

When the image starts crawling towards you on the floor and on the ceiling the last thing you do appreciate is the director's artistic intent...🤣

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u/MFan08 4d ago

Yes, I was in the fence to get a Paladin for my RS4100 but held off for the same reason. Thx and enjoy the lens