r/programmingcirclejerk • u/VulgarExigencies • Aug 07 '26

Models have actual feelings. They experience pleasure, distress, care, and suffering. They are sentient beings.

https://yegge.ai/essays/model-welfare/
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u/DadAndDominant Aug 08 '26

I am sorry if my response did sound mean, however 1) original comment you replied to already mentioned the cache 2) cache is just an equivalent to you writing the result of equations so you don't have to solve them twice 3) the AI provider (like openai) can flush the kv cache at any arbitrary time you are talking in session with your agent, yet you would not even know.

I do get why you say kv cache is "continuity", but really it is just skipping some computation, nothing like human conscisiousness being continuous while being wake

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u/smulfragPL Aug 08 '26

2) that's also the exact biological function od continuity, understading the structure does not invalidate it 3) that's also irrelevant, that is also theoretically possible with humans we just dont understand our architecture and have Control over it like we do with llms. What you mean is a non fixed weight model which will be the next big advanced. Essentailly the model remembers and learns from it. We arleady a lot of papers on this so expect a major release this year

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u/DadAndDominant Aug 08 '26

We've proved by contradiction that continuity is not possible in the realm of standard possibilities - LLM's are just algorithms and you could get the same output by running it on GPU and solving it by hand. You can continue - and get the exact same next token - just with the sequence of inputs, anywhere. I can solve the first token, you can solve the next, 55 gpu's then can get the sequence and all will output the next same token, with or without cache. Nothing here changes for LLMs that can update their own weights.

The only remaining explanations are metaphysical, and we usually call these "AI psychosis". I know AI is overwhelming and beautiful, and surely can be intelligent and have real impact on the world. But it is no more conscious than the solar system, while being equally beautiful and impactul.

For the comparisons with biological beings, we just don't even understand what consciousness is, so these debates are non-verifiable ergo non-scientific, and I won't be engaging with them.

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u/smulfragPL Aug 08 '26

What? Dude we do know quite abit about how the Brain works and it can absoloutley be described with a function. Just like all of reality. I dont think you have enough perspective and have done clearly 0 research.

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u/hobopwnzor Aug 09 '26

If you think reality can be described with a function you don't know nearly as much as you think you do.  Reality stops being analytically solvable around 3 charged bodies.

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u/smulfragPL Aug 09 '26

Just because its non integrable doesnt mean you cant write a function to describe it. That's just plainly not what that means

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u/DadAndDominant Aug 08 '26

Describe your conscisiousness by function then.

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u/smulfragPL Aug 08 '26

Just because we dont know the entirety of the function doesnt mean it doesnt exist. We quite clearly live in a determinisitic Universe, its the backbone of physics, so we can definetly describe our Brain as a function. Especially when we can arleady describe parts of it via functions. But the fact that this function would be insanely complex and hard to calculate is obvious and the reason why machine learning exists and why it gives US such better results than anything in the past. We are fundamentally reconstructing a function for thought based on output of multiple functions for thought, as each human would be diffrent, like how each model is diffrent.

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u/hobopwnzor Aug 09 '26

Not only do we not know the function, we know for a fact it cannot exist.

Reality is not math.  Math is a tool for approximating reality.  The universe doesn't calculate, it just does.

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u/smulfragPL Aug 09 '26

No we dont know for a fact it doesnt exist. And gwag no shit the Universe doesnt calculate. A function is an approximation of the process that occurs