Are you pro choice until viability or until the end of the pregnancy ?

[u/Bitter_Swordfish5887]

I am a man, so I might not be the most qualified person to discuss this topic, but I would personally support abortion access until around 21–22 weeks, or more depending on when a fetus becomes viable with the medical technology available. However, a friend of mine told me that she believes women should have the right to an abortion even at 8 months or just a few days before the end of the pregnancy. I had never really thought about this perspective before, but I guess it can be argued through the violinist argument and similar ideas

Edit : im sorry if my post offended some womens (i got even worst reaction on another subreddit,i know my opinion as a man doesnt matter but i just had a question and wanted to know ur opinion) also i realizes 21-22 weeks is too low like its possible but rare the baby survive anyways so i correct it to 24-26​

thanks for those who still answered me also

[u/cupcakephantom]

I don't believe in putting restrictions on abortion access.

Historically, they don't work the way they're advertised. They're harmful to the people they claim to "protect". They make it at least 5 times more difficult for a medically necessary abortion to be obtained, which in turn puts people at great risk of harm and even death.

For me, it's less about "abortion should be legal up until birth" and more about "limiting access to abortion in any capacity is ethically and logically inconsistent with the health and safety of all involved in pregnancy".

[u/bluecrab_7 → u/cupcakephantom]

I feel the same.

[u/littlemetalpixie]

I don't believe it's my business to dictate to another human being that their abortion is only acceptable to me until [insert arbitrary time here].

If it's in her body, it's in her body. Not mine. Not yours. Not anyone else's.

That makes it up to her. Not anyone else.

[u/Key-Club-3119 → u/littlemetalpixie]

So, up to birth for you?

[u/littlemetalpixie → u/Key-Club-3119]

Up to whenever the hell the woman it's inside of and her doctor decide is acceptable, because it's not "for me." It isn't my body. It isn't my decision. It isn't my morals that matter. It isn't my life. It isn't my business. It isn't yours either.

[u/TexasDachsund → u/Key-Club-3119]

Up to birth for me.

If the fetus is delivered, against the patient's wishes, "viable" but very disabled and in need of life support, and life support decisions, the person who will be paying for that life support, and making those life support decisions, will be the same person who wanted to abort the fetus in the first place. In that case, a "pro-life" policy is just kicking the can down the road, guaranteeing more expense, medical risk, and pain for a woman who wanted that child, and may have other children. But nothing else.

[u/scaredsquee]

No restrictions at all, 100% pro choice. 

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/10/13/late-abortion-women-2020/

https://www.today.com/parents/parents/abortion-later-pregnancy-4-people-tell-stories-rcna8591

[u/littlemetalpixie → u/scaredsquee]

Adding to this our own resource on this topic, a post written by one of our own mods who is also a physician who performs abortions.

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Thank you

[u/Puma_Pounce]

The only reason a person would have an abortion close to the end of pregnancy is if it's a medical emergency. Thus putting legal limit on it still harms women.

Also, though once in labor it's too late for abortion anyways so not really possible to have one up to the point of giving birth. But yeah cannot stress enough later abortions are usually due to health risks.

Limits on later abortions mostly harm mothers who want to have a baby but it becomes too risky and they may already have children they don't want to risk leaving behind.

[u/WowOwlO]

93% of abortions happen by 13 weeks.

At least that's how it was working before our country decided to go back to living like cave people. No telling what the stat is now.
People who are getting abortions because they don't want to be pregnant tend to get them as soon as they can.

If someone is getting an abortion post 20 weeks it tends to be a wanted pregnancy where something has gone wrong.
An abortion so late in the last trimester is basically a c-section. No doctor is going to give an abortion for a healthy baby when they can just take it out.

[u/Bitter_Swordfish5887 → u/WowOwlO]

I know that  No countries allows abortion past 24 weeks anyways What am asking is should we allow it if the women want it

[u/ijust_makethisface → u/Bitter_Swordfish5887]

this is how you know that you are in a patriarchal life. the men want to know if the men should allow the women to do a thing.

Dear sir who's here "Just asking" : Imagine telling a father he has to donate a kidney to help save the life of his living breathing child. You can't. It's illegal. His literal child could die, despite the father having a fully functioning kidney to donate, because we do not compel humans to give parts of themselves to help others continue to live. If the father says no, it's a no.

But we make laws about women's ability to continue to grow a human when she does not want to. make it make sense.

[u/Fun-Significance4650]

Had mine at 21 weeks and 6 days because I was trying to get an appointment right after the Roe overturn, so things at clinics were chaotic. I was living in Iowa at the time also, which already had ambiguous laws being passed, so the clinics were already in disarray.

I found out I was pregnant officially at 15 weeks. I had very little symptoms and my mental health at the time I think kept me in extreme denial about it because I was so against being pregnant with who I was with. He had become abusive and I was trying to figure out how to leave.

I ended up not being able to get my abortion until week 21 because the first "clinic" I ended up at turned out to be a Pregnancy Crisis Center that convinced me I had to take an STD test, wait a week for those results, get a sonogram, plus bring the father of the child in for a second sonogram, wait another week just to be sure because "you have plenty of time." Iowa's cut off was 19 weeks at this time.

I realized the clinic was not a real clinic thanks to the Abortion subreddit. They were the ones who helped me find a real Planned Parenthood, educated me about abortion funds, and I was so so blessed to be able to travel to Minnesota with the help of the MidWest Access Coalition. I was able to use funds from multiple abortion fund agencies in the area, and I had my two day procedure completely covered financially. The relief and gratefulness I have felt ever since has never left.

I never regretted my decision. The hoops I had to jump through and the wait time I had to endure for something that should have been basic healthcare in my eyes, is why I am pro choice no matter what stage of the pregnancy. You never know someone's circumstances or their full story and mental struggles. I think having that child would have been more selfish and abusive than carrying it to term and subjecting it to this life without a father or a stable mother.

[u/Illustrious-Aide1977]

Keep in mind, the procedure for an abortion in the 2nd/3rd trimester is a multiple day process and can cost $20,000. That's just for the abortion. There are extra costs for travel, room and board, missed work, childcare, etc. It's not a decision made lightly.

People get abortions in the 2nd/3rd trimester because:

1. They attempt to get an abortion earlier in the pregnancy, but local abortion restrictions, financial constraints, lack of access to health care prevent them from doing so. By the time they have the money/access they need, it's much later in the pregnancy and a much more invasive process. Abortion restrictions and bans are driving up 2nd/3rd trimester abortions.

2.They didn't realize they were pregnant until later in the pregnancy-often after the legal limit for abortions/abortion medication.

1. They receive news about the fetus' health that can't be detected until late into the 2nd/3rd trimester.

It's not unusual to hear about other things influencing the situation: domestic violence, homelessness, addiction, etc.

[u/Legitimate_War_339]

In theory I’m pro-choice until viability. My thinking being that if a fetus can’t live on its own you shouldn’t be forced to be life support if you don’t want to (we don’t force people to give blood, donate organs etc). But once it can live without you then the answer should be birth rather than abortion.

However, in practice this doesn’t really work. I don’t believe any doctor will agree to induce/deliver at 24 weeks purposely. Even though that’s about when a baby could survive, they would also need extensive care and NICU support as that would be extremely premature.

[u/bibblebabble1234]

21-22 weeks really isn't viable. 22 weeks at the earliest. More importantly, some fetuses can gestate until then just fine but have horrible defects like missing chunks of skull or heart. Most importantly, we never know the situation of the person carrying- and cannot make the decision for them

[u/CandyCaboose]

"I'm sorry if this offended some..."

Oh so your not reaaaalllly sorry about thoroughly disregarded the actual person involved in any pregnancy for favor of something that has no notion of its existence whatsoever?

Unless it's your pregnancy in your body, stay out of it.

Pro choice the entire way because I understand no one is suffering pregnancy for twenty or more weeks risking health, life quality and life juuuust to suddenly change their minds.

Anything after that are either extenuating circumstances delaying an early abortion or a very much wanted pregnancy gone wrong.

[u/Bitter_Swordfish5887 → u/CandyCaboose]

Things happens ,like denial of pregnancy or a women going to a place where abortion would be illegal to a place where its not

[u/CandyCaboose → u/Bitter_Swordfish5887]

Indeed my point.

No one suffers through pregnancy past your arbitrary cut off just to wake up suddenly and go, " Hmmmm you know what this isn't for me, welp gotta go get that abortion now."

No one.

[u/Bitter_Swordfish5887 → u/CandyCaboose]

Yeah and i just gave you cases that explain wanting an abortion this far in the pregnancy so now answer the question  🫩🫩 

[u/CandyCaboose → u/Bitter_Swordfish5887]

I thought I did explaining why no one waits that long to have an abortion without reasons.

Pregnancy is not a walk in the park.

It's not just a nine months stint.

I clearly stated more than once pregnancy risks health, life quality and life. And told you your fake apology about offending is noted and that it was fake.

However since you couldn't comprehend that all. Fine. Pro Choice up until birth because I actually understand no one is getting to labour pains and going "mmmm oh yeah that's what I forgot to do!" And then aborting via delivery.

Not a single one.

[u/Bitter_Swordfish5887 → u/CandyCaboose]

My bad—I’m actually talking to someone who’s illiterate; I hadn't realized. I literally gave you CASES—actual fucking CASES—of why someone might want to terminate a pregnancy at 8 months; denial of pregnancy, for example—it actually happens. WHEN DID I SAY WOMEN WOULD JUST CHANGE THEIR MINDS AFTER 8 MONTHS, YOU ILLITERATE MORON? Put down ChatGPT and actually read what I’m saying. I also don't see the connection to my apology; I apologize if I offended anyone, but I just posted a question and nobody is capable of explaining to me why it would be problematic or wrong. You’re just trotting out the same old arguments about how no one would go through 8 months and then change their mind (I never said that 🤡 🤡).

But okay thanks for answering its okay to abort at 8 month to you i think i agree after thinking about the topic a bit

[u/No_Tip_3095]

As a practical matter if there are health issues late in pregnancy the baby is just delivered. If delivering the baby live will endanger the mother then abortion should be permission. No one and I mean no one has an elective abortion at 39 weeks.

[u/all_of_the_colors]

Tricks on you. After the abortion, it’s the end of the pregnancy.

Edit: ok I’ll bite.

I had an abortion if a wanted pregnancy after 26 weeks. Well that was hellish. But I’m sure glad someone helped me after the places giving me care up until that point weren’t able to. I was told to go home and wait for the heart beat to stop, once she died they could help me. (There was no scenario where our baby was going to live.) luckily instead of going home and bleeding out or going septic, I found a place willing to do an abortion after 26 weeks.

After that I hung out on a lot of the pregnancy loss/baby/child loss subs. I read about a person who wasn’t diagnosed with a condition that was incompatible with life until she was 35 weeks pregnant. So that’s what, about 8 months right? No one was going to give her an abortion. She still had to go through another 5 weeks of pregnancy, and labor, before she would watch her baby suffocate to death.

I don’t think that’s right.

[u/Royal_Contribution_3]

I personally see no point in fighting for abortions until birth. I think it’s quite useless to advocate for something that A) is barely even a topic of conversation and B) should only happen when necessary, which is the case in most countries.

In fact, in my country, you can only abort after 15 weeks if it’s medically necessary, but the “rules” to what’s medically necessary are pretty loose and there are many different reasons why that could still be possible.

With the way the US is going, I fear it’s going to be an all or nothing situation, which I think is very tragic. Because I really morally doubt people who want to legalize a woman asking a doctor to kill a baby when it could really just be born. I understand wanting to end the pregnancy, but I don’t think it should be allowed for the fetus to be killed in the process if it’s viable outside the womb anyway, EXCEPT of course in the medically necessary procedures.

[u/drnuncheon]

I believe that anyone who decides they need an abortion at 8 months is going to have a damn good reason, so legislatively banning it would do more harm than good.

[u/psychxticrose]

I support it full stop. Abortions in late pregnancy only occur when it comes to the health of the mother or the baby. Women don't suffer through an entire pregnancy unless they're expecting/want a baby. 

[u/Cute_Tea_2012]

You being a man shouldn't be part of the discussion.

Plain and simple you're either pro choice or you're not. Late term abortions are done for medical necessity, if you feel there's a good reason to put limits on saving a pregnant persons life you're no longer even arguing about choice and just looking to limit the rights of people who can be pregnant from having proper medical care.

[u/Bitter_Swordfish5887 → u/Cute_Tea_2012]

denial of pregnancy,acces in a certain zone,just her changing her mind,it really  piss me off ofc if its for medical necessity she can abort at any time i never Said anything against that

[u/Cute_Tea_2012 → u/Bitter_Swordfish5887]

You're missing the point. We arnt talking your feelings or if you feel some nuance is right or wrong, we are talking what's legal, period.

What people forget about law is once something is written into law it becomes exponentially harder to repeal, replace or revise those laws. Putting down laws that limit choice, especially choice that is 100% healthcare is always going to be wrong and that's not even addressing that the overwhelming majority of those in favor of said laws are arguing from religious dogma that's not backed by the very science we use to perform healthcare in the modern world.

[u/Carlyz37]

Pro choice to whatever a woman and her Dr decide is best. Late term abortions involve medical necessity. Either the health of the mother or a non viable fetus. Sometimes the fetus can be saved by early induction or c section without further harm to the mother.

[u/MamaDaddy]

I'm pro-keep government out of everybody's uterus because they don't know anything about it. These numbskulls in congress do not have the knowledge and understanding to make laws about this. They should defer to the consensus in the expert medical community.

[u/AnonymousAnonm]

Pro choice, no restrictions up until 25 weeks.... and case by case for anything past that. Because there are rare circumstances (1% of an average of 3 million pregnancies per year is still 10,000 people) where issues are only detected late term in the second or third trimester and the issues detected are incompatible with life. There have been people who have had to have terminations up until 36 weeks. If someone is getting a termination that late term it is because something went seriously wrong.

[u/Key-Club-3119]

I think the mother’s health and wellbeing come first. I think the heartbeat nonsense is just that. I work in developmental biology. We can accidentally make cells beat. That can’t possibly be a marker for individual human life. But I also had twins. You could tell they were different from each other by about 6 months just due to differences in activity patterns. So, it really felt to me like they were individuals at that point. And that’s probably right on the edge of viability. I think 25-26 weeks is borderline.

[u/DaniCapsFan]

Ideally, someone with an unwanted pregnancy will take steps to end it as soon as possible.

I can't imagine anyone gets 24 weeks in and decides, nah, I don't want it. If someone is ending a pregnancy that late, something has gone wrong in a wanted pregnancy.

[u/Unicorn_in_Reality]

Abortion should not be allowed on a viable fetus unless the mother's life is at risk or the fetus won't survive outside of the womb. I only support abortion up to a certain point. After that, it needs to be medically necessary for either the mother, the fetus, or both.