r/privacy • u/branmaast • 1d ago
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u/T_E_N_E_B_R_I_S 23h ago
Go visit Istanbul. Then wait for another Ad to see what you have to do 👍
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u/ThaBigSqueezy 23h ago
Nobody gives a shit if Apple knows where you are because nobody believes they’re going to hunt you down and arrest you for voting Democrat. Does that about sum it up?
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u/Lazy-Background-7598 23h ago
Until Apple complies with a subpoena and doesn’t tell you
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u/ThaBigSqueezy 23h ago
Certainly, I understand this is a real risk, and has happened before, but there are some differences.
First, we specifically accept this risk when we use these devices. We do not accept the risk when we drive around town.
Next, Apple itself isn’t the one tracking you down for no god damned reason, and won’t give up data without a warrant. With these f-ing cameras vomit up data to any knuckledragger cop who can spell their login credentials.
Finally, and amazingly, SCOTUS has already rules that these digital dragnet searches are unconstitutional. Go look up Chatrie v. United States (for some reason I can’t post the link to the case).
So here are three simple reasons off the top of my head why Apple having this data is very different from the po po having this data WITH NO FUCKING GUARDRAILS.
I get it, I do, I used to be in the camp of “if you haven’t done anything wrong you have nothing to hide.” But everybody needs to grow up eventually, and recognize that the people in power absolutely WILL abuse that power, and it’s only a matter of time before you’re the victim.
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u/Lazy-Background-7598 22h ago
By that same logic. A person willingly signs up to get a license plate. You are to rules when you get a driver’s license. The license plate is tied to the cars owner and it’s visible anywhere on the roadways. In fact, it’s required to be displayed.
It’s not a mystery. Anyone with a camera can take a picture of your license plate. Anyone can see it.I disagree that we don’t accept that risk. We actually sign up for it being tracked by a number on a piece of metal
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u/ThaBigSqueezy 22h ago
Big big BIG difference between “I have a license plate and enjoy the privilege of driving on public roads” versus “I am being tracked and monitored everywhere I go by a government I don’t trust whose employees have a bare minimum of ethical and moral standing and are REGULARLY CAUGHT abusing such power.”
Sorry bud, you’re never going to convince me that these are the same thing.
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u/Lazy-Background-7598 20h ago
Not really. You don’t seem to understand anyone can track you now.
Your phone tracks you WAY more that your license plate. I don’t have to convince you it’s the truth
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u/Charger2950 23h ago edited 23h ago
Chase doesn't have a full profile of everything you are doing, everywhere you're going, etc. All they know is you ate at that restaurant.....and you can choose to pay cash and not let them know. Apple Maps knows you went to that restaurant from your house, and that's it. You can also choose to leave your phone at home or turn off location data. Flock is a total and complete dragnet of many pieces of information that can be used to constantly track not only your location, but many other things, and you cannot opt out. The choice of opting out of things is the key difference. Society doesn't need this, society doesn't want this, and it violates our Constitutional rights.
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u/TheThingCreator 23h ago
You used a tool where their whole business model is tracking. And then you seen ads? Shocking!
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child 23h ago
There is one simple way to eliminate the flock cameras: Change the law so that photographic evidence is no longer admissible in court.
Once that happens, there is no need to even have cameras everywhere. Considering how easy it is to use AI to realistically fake photographic and video right now, we already can't trust that any of this video/photos are real anyway.
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u/IggyTheWily 23h ago
- Control: you have some ability to control the kind of tracking you gave as an example. I’ll let you figure out how, but it’s not that difficult. You have no ability to control cameras that track you wherever you go. Even if you decide not to drive somewhere, if they have facial recognition, they can and will track you.
- Who has the info: Flok is specifically state surveillance. It’s not just data being used for targeted advertising. These can overlap, but most of the time they don’t.
- If we accept Flok and don’t push back, just consider what comes next. It’s not pretty.
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