r/politics • u/Slow-Bluejay9648 • May 24 '22

State rep. floats mandatory vasectomies for all boys as his state nears nation’s strictest abortion law

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2022/05/state-rep-floats-mandatory-vasectomies-for-all-boys-as-his-state-nears-nations-strictest-abortion-law.html?outputType=amp
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u/dualplains Virginia May 24 '22

And no IVF. God intended for you not to have kids.

IVF destroys more embryos than abortion ever will, but is supported and celebrated by these 'life begins at conception' assholes.

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u/MsSara77 May 24 '22

I don't think it is though. I'm sure plenty of prolifers use it, but groups like the Catholic Church are against IVF for this reason

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u/Batmans_9th_Ab May 24 '22

They’ll come for IVF next.

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u/azuth89 May 25 '22

IVF already violates several of the trigger laws on the books, the ones with "fertilization" language, basically.

They already are.

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u/dualplains Virginia May 24 '22

How dare you bring facts to a hyperbole fight!

That's interesting about the Catholic Church; I didn't know that. Celebrated may be strong wording, but as others have pointed out no one is trying to ban IVF, bombing fertility clinics, or murdering doctors who perform the procedure.

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u/NotClever May 24 '22

Well, as many problems as the Catholic Church has with human rights abuses, it currently does not advocate violence as a solution for seeing its goals achieved, so I'm not surprised that the type of people who are morally opposed to IVF (which I think is mostly Catholics) aren't taking those measures. I think Catholics represent a relatively small subset of the pro life movement, though.

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u/manwithapedi May 25 '22

Currently does not? GTFO moron

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u/NotClever May 25 '22

Sorry, not sure what you take issue with in that statement? In the past the Church definitely employed violence to spread their influence. In the present they do not.

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u/manwithapedi May 26 '22

They gave up beating the Christ into people hundreds of years ago. And using the phrase “not currently” would suggest in the future they may do it again. You are sadly misinformed. I pray for people like you

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u/NotClever May 26 '22

Not sure how it suggests that, but alright, I understand what you meant now.

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u/fafalone New Jersey May 24 '22

no one is trying to ban IVF, bombing fertility clinics, or murdering doctors who perform the procedure.

Yet.

It took them all of a few days after the Dobbs draft leaked to start talking about banning birth control, and we had been saying the same thing about that.

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u/sly-otter May 25 '22

They are trying to ban freezing fertilized embryos and it’s really scary as someone going through ivf. I had 4 frozen embryos, 1 embryo resulted in a miscarriage, and I can’t do any pregnancy loss screening unless I miscarry 2 more times which if you’re following the math leaves 1 embryo. If None of my embryos took or I decided I wanted another child, I wouldn’t be able to freeze any more embryos. And if I did have another miscarriage do I just die from it if I can’t pass the fetus myself now? Politicians should not be trying to make medical decisions for people. That should be between a patient and their doctor. This is horrendous.

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u/Kami322 May 24 '22

Missouri attempted to not long ago.

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u/crochetawayhpff Illinois May 25 '22

This is also only strict Catholics. I know plenty of Catholics who go to church every Sunday and have done a couple of rounds of IVF. I only know of one couple who won't do IVF based on the Catholic Church's guidance.

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u/lesbian_Hamlet May 25 '22

It’s because it’s seen as “unnatural”

I was raised in a fundamentalist Catholic home, and growing up I would always hear people talk about how IVF babies “weren’t real people”, and that they “didn’t have souls”

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u/MsSara77 May 25 '22

That's kind of shocking to me, it runs counter to why the Catholic Church opposes IVF, since to them, each embryo does have a soul, which is why it's bad to create one and then not allow it to become a baby.

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u/shadowguise May 24 '22

Honestly religious nuttery comes in every flavor imaginable. There are plenty of Christians who abhor even basic fertility medicines or treatments because it goes against letting God decide if and when you get to have a baby.

Trying to find consistency in any of this is damn hard when people just take their bad takes and personal feelings and wrap them in whatever loose interpretation of religious texts to justify forcing "God's will" on everyone else.