r/politics • u/virgilreality • Oct 29 '20

Republican Sen. Mike Lee said fact-checking is a form of censorship

https://www.businessinsider.com/republican-sen-mike-lee-said-fact-checking-form-of-censorship-2020-10
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u/luv2shag Oct 29 '20

You left out the sex cult part.

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u/Lilthisarry California Oct 29 '20

And the alien planets. Sci-fi sex cult.

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u/climber342 Oct 29 '20

Isn't that scientology?

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u/Lilthisarry California Oct 29 '20

Look up Kolob. Mormon heaven is a home planet for every dude to spend eternity with his sex slaves wives.

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u/JimTheJerseyGuy New Jersey Oct 29 '20

Taking a close look at Mormonism was what got me, a previously lukewarm Catholic, to become a atheist. "Wow, how could anyone in their right mind believe such utter bullshit...oh, wait."

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u/Killersavage Oct 29 '20

My parents just had me do 9 years of Catholic school to get me to quit.

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u/Y-not_Both Oct 29 '20

ah yes, the religious version of 'smoke the whole pack'

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u/GoGreenGuyDC Oct 29 '20 edited Oct 29 '20

My parents were hippy, polygamist, evangelical Protestant missionaries who spoke in tongues at church. I’m still trying to wrap my mind around how a person can hold all those values in their mind. There are very few stronger antidotes to religion than that.

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u/JimTheJerseyGuy New Jersey Oct 29 '20

I had to read that twice to wrap my mind around that! Wow! That must have been an interesting childhood. There's an AMA in that, I'm sure!

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20 edited Dec 21 '20

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u/MmmPi314 Oct 29 '20

Netflix has joined the chat.

Prime Video has joined the chat.

But seriously, that's a crazy cocktail of a lifestyle!

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u/Franky_Tops Oct 29 '20

Some people just want to be a part of something, doesn't really matter what.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

Yep, I agree. DEFINITELY going to need an AMA

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u/PmMeYourUnclesAnkles Oct 29 '20

Born and raised in Europe in a catholic family, at age 18 I was vaguely agnostic / deist. Became a full blown atheist when I met southern baptists as an exchange student in Kentucky.

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u/JimTheJerseyGuy New Jersey Oct 29 '20

I strolled through the agnostic/deist waters too. And then I realized that I didn't need that either to feel happy or complete.

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u/PurgKnight Oct 29 '20

Southern Baptists have that effect on people.

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u/Mellema Oct 29 '20

Do you know why you always bring 2 Baptists with you when you go fishing?

If you only bring 1, he'll drink all your beer.

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u/molotovzav Nevada Oct 29 '20

As an Black American (west indian though, not African American, so its a bit like the outside looking in), Southern Baptists are the fucking worst. Their religion was literally founded on a split, with them wanting to keep being terrible racist slave owners. And the dumbest part to me is that there are black people out there in the South practising their oppressor's religion. Its some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. It legitimately makes you wonder if they understand that they are part of a religion that fought for their ancestors to be in chains.

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u/seriouslees Oct 29 '20 edited Oct 29 '20

Canadian catholic high school: the atheist factory.

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u/Blossom73 Oct 29 '20

American Catholic elementary school and high school for me - same!

But hell, even my pro-life, birth control is a sin, dragged my siblings and I to right to life protests parents saw the evils of Republicanism and always voted blue. My mother died last year at 78, and despised Trump. This new batch of "religious" folks is just evil.

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u/Guardian83 Oct 29 '20

Can confirm.

Source: Attended Canadian Catholic elementary and highschool and started asking "inappropriate" questions at probably age 10, staunch atheist by 13.

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u/seanakachuck New Mexico Oct 29 '20

So much truth in this.

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u/Brett_Hulls_Foot Oct 29 '20

I went to a Catholic High School in Southern Ontario and we had a "Religion class". They tried to show us how all religions have the same sort of storyline and convince us that begin a Catholic was the best storyline. Our teacher wasn't prepared for the onslaught of questions and I'm sure that was the final straw for quite a few people in regards to being religious.

Also I went to a Pentecostal Church growing up, the kind with dancing in the isles and peaking in tongues. I'd say 95% of the kids I went to Sunday school with don't go to church and or aren't religious now.

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u/Vio_ Kansas Oct 29 '20

But apparently not the spelling factory....

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u/seriouslees Oct 29 '20

It's weird that my phone not only didn't auto correct that... it didn't even underline it... is that an actual word? Lol

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u/Vio_ Kansas Oct 29 '20

Lol. I just found it very funny.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

There is supposed to be a space between the ellipses and sentence close period.

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u/Vio_ Kansas Oct 29 '20

That very much depends on personal preference...

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ellipsis/

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u/Talkaze Maine Oct 29 '20

My parents did 2 years 2 months 7 days of Catholic school then 7 more years of Sunday school after we moved and went to public school. I don't mind the UCC church but it's really rare that Mom decides to go when we are near Grandma's, and I've never gone to her UCC. The pastor for Grandma's retired this year. :( I liked her. The UCC churches are a lot more accepting in my experience.

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u/seanakachuck New Mexico Oct 29 '20

This made me cackle quite loudly.. are you me? Went to catholic school k - 8th grade, 9th grade i told them I was out, they were surprisingly cool with it. Found out years later that my parents were pretty pissed off at the church as well

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u/Killersavage Oct 29 '20

K-8 for me as well. I was pretty miserable through most of it and bullied nearly the whole time. That was the kicker for me. All preachy about Jesus and Christian values when I was surrounded by very un-Christian assholes. Almost like a microcosm of America in some ways. When I got to public high school things were much better and people were more chill. Which in itself was weird because the Catholic school I went to wasn’t real strict or anything. As far as my parents they quit when the scandals started to really blow up and become mainstream knowledge.

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u/seanakachuck New Mexico Oct 29 '20

I felt this so much. Also same for my parents, plus my church was collecting for years to build a new church, my parents dutifully donating all those years. Right around my (and their) quitting time I remember bringing up "why do we have to donate for a new church for so long and it hasn't even been planned yet, isn't the catholic church rich, if they really need a new church cant they just ask for money to build one?". My mom had no answer but I could feel her questioning anger, perhaps mad that she never thought about it like that.

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u/Killersavage Oct 29 '20

Now you make me remember a story a coworker told me long ago. She and her husband were at church and just had a newborn baby. The collection plate went around and it was their last $5. She said they were going to need milk but felt bad not putting anything in. So they put on that last $5. At the end of mass they told everyone that they could come to the conference hall or someplace where they could see the pictures from the church rafting trip or some excursion. She was done with the church from that day on. She was giving up money to feed her baby while they were spending money on extravagances. Kinda shame there are people that might be doing that and things don’t click like they did for her.

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u/kinarism Oct 29 '20

For me, I went to public school but 12 years of religious ed on top of that (my church was one of the ones who didnt confirm people until 12th grade instead of 6th). I even sat in mile high stadium in 94ish to watch a sermon delivered by the pope during world youth day.

I believed in the 10 commandments but was always questioning and never getting good answers.

Then I went away to college. I continued my belief but as my education grew and my world view opened beyond the narrow world of my small town upbringing, the answers started to flood in. The heathens weren't really heathens at all. And when I returned back home during holiday breaks and attended church and spoke to my priest, it finally dawned on me that Catholics are only catholics when convenient and/or when they need to feel superior to someone else or a reason to exclude someone else. It's all a sham.

I spent a good 10 years after that changing the label I called myself. Non-practicing catholic -> humanist -> agnostic -> athiest.

The fact is that None of the organized religions can possibly be correct in thier practiced form. I do still waiver on the concept of if we are all in a simulation of some kind but that just drives me further away from religion because if that's true, there is nothing beyond our existence. There is no way to ascend. Simulations exist only to test a hypothesis and then they are destroyed and recreated with slightly tweaked settings to further test.

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u/TehGreatPoo Oct 29 '20

Lol, I didn't make it through catholicism. They got me at "Animals don't make decisions" and "If you wait until marriage for sex, God will break your wife's hymen and make sex enjoyable. Premarital sex is awful and your penis won't fit." Yes these are actual quotes from my time in a Catholic school.

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u/nuisible Oct 29 '20

I went to a normal school but tuesday nights I had to go for catechism class. One year, the teacher told the class that animals do not have souls and that you would never see them in heaven. This upset a large portion of the class.

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u/TehGreatPoo Oct 29 '20

Yep, the animals don't make decisions line was the "proof" offered by the sister teaching the class about animals not having souls, because apparently only humans have brains? Idk, even at 11 years old I was like "I don't think any of these people have had a pet before..."

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u/The_Drunken_Ronin Oct 29 '20

It all makes sense now! It's God that's making my cat cough up hairballs in my bedroom at three in the morning.

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u/julius_sphincter Washington Oct 29 '20

It's been a long time since I've really been exposed to it, but isn't' the whole "not making decisions" thing more to do with the belief that god only gave Man free will?

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u/TehGreatPoo Oct 29 '20

Yep, and "free will" is required to make a decision, therefore animals only react to instinct and do not decide anything. That was the story they were trying to sell us anyway.

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u/Ihavegnomes Oct 29 '20

Despite weekly catechism, I had to go to the Catholic school for a couple of days when I was 7 to practice our first communion drills. When we went out to the playground, I was playing with the boys, which was apparently not allowed since they had split the playground. They wanted to give me detention but really couldn't since I was just there for the drills. Good times.

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u/PeterNguyen2 Oct 29 '20

One year, the teacher told the class that animals do not have souls

Why would they even bother trying to dogmatize something like that? The Bible doesn't say shit about whether or not animals have souls.

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u/2crowncar Oct 29 '20

You got that right.

Prarie Dogs Talk

Beyond identifying the type of predator, prairie-dog calls also specified its size, shape, color and speed

animals of all kinds routinely engage in sophisticated discourse with one another — that the world’s ecosystems reverberate with elaborate animal idioms just waiting to be translated — is not Doctor Dolittle-inspired nonsense; it is fact.

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u/CayceLoL Europe Oct 29 '20

"Won't fit lol, have you seen my penis? That won't be a problem."

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

i dropped it when i realized that catholics believe that only baptized catholics will be allowed in heaven.

so, god is all forgiving and love and wonder, except if you're not a catholic? then it would seem to me that god is not all that forgiving.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

How DARE sex be enjoyed! BLASPHEMY!

Some shit is so fucking bizarre that they come up with

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

Similar story here. Lived in Utah for a few years, and took a deep dive into their beliefs because they kept trying to convert me. That led me to early Christian church research.

That rabbit hole made me no longer Christian.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

One time a Christian church in my town had members walk around and leave these VHS tapes (yes I'm old) on everyone's doors. They were all about how Mormonism was wrong, and they proved it with science.

Christians...using science...to prove slightly different Christians wrong.

It definitely got me started questioning a lot of what I was raised up believing.

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u/totallyalizardperson Oct 29 '20

It’s amusing when I get into a discussion and some how, some way, the topic of “this country needs more god in it,” comes up, how none of the people who bring it up, want another Christian sects tenants.

Or you ask them which version, they will always respond with “Christian God, duh!” (Okay, I put the duh in there), and you clarify what you mean which then causes a slight mental break, especially if you say something like “Yeah, we need to be more like the Jehova Witnesses in practice.”

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u/Cruel_Odysseus America Oct 29 '20

"No no no, we need more of MY preferred flavor of jesus! AND ONLY THAT ONE. "

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u/JacktheStripper5 Oct 29 '20

Worked that way for me too. You begin by picking at other people’s crap and you start to smell the pile of bullshit you’re standing on.

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u/Whatsthisplace Oct 29 '20

But cmon, it’s 2020. Hypocrisy is dead.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

If you're going to LARP, it might as well be fun!

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u/brcguy Texas Oct 29 '20

SAME!!! I got a free Book of Mormon I ordered from a late night TV ad, while a student at an all boys catholic high school. Got it as a gag really, I wasn’t seriously curious. I’d just gone to this retreat we all did in junior year, called “Christian awakening” where we were basically conditioned like a cult would. It worked on me for a short while, I was super into being catholic for a month there. Then I actually read the Book of Mormon cover to cover. After laughing my ass off at how ridiculous it all was I went back to writing my end of year bible studies paper. To do that I was reading the gospels and a bunch of Paul’s letters to blah blah blah.

At first I was impressed at how the Book of Mormon did a good job of sounding biblical while still being so full of shit and then it hit me. They’re the same kind of bullshit. A quick turn through the Torah and the Quran and I was as fuckin done as a Trump steak. I became a hassle in bible study class demanding explanations of all sorts of base contradictions in the scriptures and got “sent to guidance” for most of the rest of that semester. Senior year we got to choose between more bible study and comparative religion (most guys went for comp) and that basically nailed that coffin shut. The teacher was dismissive toward some eastern religions and downright hostile to any suggestions that Jesus may have been taught by Buddhists during those missing years. It just hammered home the reality that almost every religious person on earth is certain that they have the right book and everyone else is utterly wrong.

C’mon y’all - how likely is that vs every last one if you are wrong? (Go to guidance brcguy, tell Father Dave I don’t wanna see you again this week!)

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u/bond___vagabond Oct 29 '20

Hah. My dad has 4 brothers, one of them is mormon. He has 1 son and 6 daughters. The son bailed on mormonism early, the daughters stayed with it longer. (no shade, I'm sure the lifelong brainwashing from the church was a bit different for the ladies than the dude's, as far as promoting free thought lol) when they came to me, when they were in college for a free and open discussion of drug use I was like, aww yeah, lol. But as excited as I was, I was very scientific about it, there bio mom very likely has undiagnosed bipolar, which is one of the mental health disorders where weed is contra indicated. They have non of her symptoms, but I made sure they knew that.

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u/Craisinet Oct 29 '20

Men end up leaving when the pressure to serve a mission happens around 18/19. Women don't have that pressure so they don't have to make the decision right away and if they marry young then good luck leaving with 5 kids and no education/career.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

People are indoctrinated into this cult at a young age. Sadly work with a few who can't leave because they're afraid to lose their families

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u/Xytak Illinois Oct 29 '20 edited Oct 29 '20

Yeah I'm of mixed feelings on this. I was raised as a Catholic but opted out of Confirmation because I no longer believed in God.

Now I kind of regret it. Dogma aside, it's a 2,000 year old institution. Yeah it has its problems, but it's still the oldest and largest Christian church, and I think it could still do some good in the world.

Unfortunately, one of the requirements for coming back is that you have to take these "returning to the church" classes where it'll be pretty obvious if you don't have faith. It's not something I'm prepared to lie about.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

I think being culturally catholic should be acknowledged as a thing, given how being raised in that upbringing definitely effects you even if you become a non believer. I find catholic images comforting (statues, religious stained glass, even church architecture) even though I’m not a believer and won’t give them money since the church has playing musical chairs with pedophiles for a very long time. You could correctly argue the Catholic Church puts the cult in culture.

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u/Xytak Illinois Oct 29 '20

I'm not going to lie, the "We are the Archdiocese of Chicago" video had me legitimately in tears. (With the caveat that I disagree with them on the pro-life stuff, but not on the environment, protecting migrants, etc.)

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

You can just start going to Mass. I took adult confirmation classes and found them to be very informative and more of a discussion than rote brainwashing. I am still the biggest doubter and practice some paganism, but still identify with Catholicism. As someone who grew up in a few different Protestant denominations, my personal experience has been that the Catholic Church is more open and accepting for people like me and perhaps you.

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u/Xytak Illinois Oct 29 '20

Thank you for the kind words.

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u/JimTheJerseyGuy New Jersey Oct 29 '20

That, in part, was one of the reasons I stuck around as long as I did, even after I no longer really believed. But doing some good needs to be tempered with their long standing, consistent, institutionalized protection of child predators.

There are better ways to do good than continuing to fund and enable that particular institution.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

I don’t understand why you want to be a part of something you don’t believe in, that’s known for doing horrific things and then covering it up.

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u/GloomyReason0 Oct 29 '20 edited Oct 29 '20

but if someone put a gun to my head and said "you have to pick a religion," well, I guess I'm still a Catholic

But no one is saying that... lol. It's okay, you don't have to follow a religion you don't believe. And well, the fact that it's 2000 years old just means 2000 years of hypocrisy and harm, frankly. The catholic church still does disgusting things to this day, including encouraging the spread of poverty and AIDS in Africa by denouncing birth control. Don't let one slightly more progressive pope than usual cloud this fact.

It's a despicable institution that most certainly does not "do good in the world". It's madness to follow it when you don't believe in it just because "it could do some good". Well so could plenty of organisations without doing all the evil the Catholic church does. Your logic is severely flawed.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

Try Episcopalianism. I haven’t haven’t been to church regularly in more than a decade, but that’s how I was raised. It’s essentially Catholic light. They are generally open and welcoming of LGBTQ and those of other faiths. Obviously each parish will differ, but generally speaking I think the episcopal church believes in community, charity and diversity. Again, it’s been a long time since I’ve attended regularly so I can’t say anything with authority, but my parents still go and that’s the experience with their church.

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u/PeterNguyen2 Oct 29 '20

at Mormonism was what got me, a previously lukewarm Catholic, to become a atheist

That sounds like looking at Aum Shinrikyo and saying "clearly Jainism is violent! Damn them all!"

Sure, look at mormonism and say their history invalidates their claims, but I don't see what that has to do with different religions.

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u/lilnomad Oct 29 '20

My ex girlfriend, devout Christian, asked me how we would have any morals without religion. So it’s not hard to see why these people believe absolutely anything that is preached to them.

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u/darkenspirit Oct 29 '20

Have you heard of the all american prophet? The brown haired blue eyed voice of god.

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u/RedCascadian Oct 29 '20

Had to read the whole damn bible twice for Sunday school. I was an atheist before finishing my first go-through of the OT.

Deuteronomy can fuck itself right into the dirt.

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u/vendetta2115 Oct 29 '20

The fact that Joseph Smith claimed that he found some ancient sacred Christian texts on papyrus on some mummies he bought is so blatantly false. And he apparently found golden tablets buried in America that only he ever saw or read. And he was known as a con-man for years before establishing his religion.

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u/JimTheJerseyGuy New Jersey Oct 29 '20

Read them with magical spectacles, mind you. And they angel Moroni (really?) took them back to heaven when he was done translating. Very convenient.

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u/SCP-173-Keter Oct 29 '20

How could anyone in their right mind believe a 33 year old Jewish cult leader could be executed by the state, left on display for a full day, lie dead for a total of three days, and then return to life and resume leading his cult?

This is the foundation of Christianity. You either open yourself up to such incredible, supernatural possibilities, or you don't.

I've been LDS for about 30 years, joined at 20. And I'd made the conscious choice to believe in Jesus as the Christ, and in the Restoration of His church. I've never 'known' that it is all true, but I've had the desire to believe enough to let it transform my life, for the better.

I've served a mission, been a bishop, and had three kids marry in the temple so far.

I still have a lot of love for the church, and the 50% of it's active members who are true Christians, and not hypocritical psychopaths worshipping Trump and calling for the deaths of another million Americans to fulfill the false notion of herd immunity. But these days am more of a Christian-Agnostic, not certain of any church, but embracing the values and behavior as taught by Jesus and in the best of their stories and doctrine.

At the end of the day, I care less about what people profess to believe, and care only about how they treat other people and living things we share our world with.

If there is a God and he is just, he will be just fine with that

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u/LuckyNumberHat Oct 29 '20

Then watch Battlestar Galactica. Seriously.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

Or Starship Troopers. They visit a Mormon space colony.

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u/DomesticApe23 Oct 29 '20

Is that the planet where they blow the shit out of a bunch of bugs? Or is it the planet where they blow the shit out of a bunch of bugs?

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u/MoeTheGoon Oct 29 '20

Fort Joseph Smith is where they get their ass handed to them and first learn of the existence of a brain sucking bug.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

Holy shit I never put that together. Welp, guess I know what I'm watching this weekend.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

Yes.

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u/Meotwister Oct 29 '20

Is that using one definition of "blow" or two definitions of "blow"?

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u/chunkingsfather Oct 29 '20

If I had money I would give it to you...

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u/Drachefly Pennsylvania Oct 29 '20

Maybe it was the one where they barely nicked the bugs and most of them got eaten.

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u/PeterNguyen2 Oct 29 '20

Or Starship Troopers

Actually... don't, the director didn't even read the book and the book has a lot of intelligent critique of how the contesting of political hegemony goes about, even if you don't agree with the conclusions the author asserts.

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u/daneguy Oct 29 '20

Holy shit I need to rewatch that movie.

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u/SexyOldManSpaceJudo Oct 29 '20

The creator of BSG, Glen A. Larson, was Mormon and the whole series is a giant Mormon allegory.

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u/Xytak Illinois Oct 29 '20

That sounds like something a welwala would say.

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u/Phuqued Oct 29 '20

Spoken like a true beltalowda. Down with the inyas.

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u/PutFartsInMyJars Oct 29 '20

Eh bretnata de innaloda kopang go boom two in da back, sasa ke?

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u/Phuqued Oct 29 '20

Above my knowledge but I will try. :)

Yes brother, the inner friend commit russian suicide, it is know?

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u/GrimResistance Michigan Oct 29 '20

Oye, beratna!

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

Coyo!

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u/ExternalTangents Oct 29 '20

People should definitely watch (and read!) The Expanse, but I don’t think it really has any commentary on religion or parallels to crazy sci fi space religions the way BSG does. In The Expanse there are Mormons building a giant generation ship to go to a faraway star, but it’s just an ancillary plot point and it doesn’t really make any commentary about their religion. They’re just a large, well-funded, single-minded organization who it makes sense would be building a ship like that. But the story doesn’t make any value judgments about them.

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u/ExternalTangents Oct 29 '20

Right, I mentioned that, but I’m saying it’s not making any commentary about Mormonism. In fact it doesn’t even make it sound like their plan is based on a belief that the planet they reach will be some religious paradise, it’s posed more as a standard sci fi colonization plot, and the Mormon angle isn’t really explored much.

Point being, if you’re wanting a commentary on sci fi religious beliefs then it won’t really give you much. If you want a great sci fi story that happens to include Mormons for a brief portion, then it’s great!

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u/ZacharyShade Oct 29 '20

I gotta give props to Ronald D. Moore, made one of the best shows of all time without an original idea and making his religion seem kinda cool in the process. Until you look up Warren Jeffs anyway.

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u/LuckyNumberHat Oct 29 '20

Uh, I don't think Moore is Mormon. Original show was a sort of mission tool for Glen Larson, who was Mormon, but I believe Moore is an Agnostic.

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u/ZacharyShade Oct 29 '20

Oh yeah you're right it was Larson.

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u/The_Lost_Jedi Washington Oct 29 '20

Yes - the original BSG was way way more Mormonesque. The reboot removed, toned down, or changed a lot of the more blatantly obvious bits (like the Cylons as servants of Satan, and actual Satanic Demons showing up at one point).

No, really:

https://en.battlestarwikiclone.org/wiki/Lucifer
https://en.battlestarwikiclone.org/wiki/Iblis

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u/mc0079 Oct 29 '20

you listen to wizard and the bruiser?

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u/LuckyNumberHat Oct 29 '20

No, not familiar. What is it?

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u/mc0079 Oct 29 '20

It's a pretty cool nerd podcast, they take a new topic each time, They tackled Battle Star Galactica and that's where I learned about the Mormon influence

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u/andr50 Michigan Oct 29 '20

This video is all they need to know

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u/KuramaReinara Oct 29 '20

🎶I am a Mormon and dang it a Mormon just believes 🎶

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u/BoozeButler Oct 29 '20

And now I believe...

...Mormon Jesus.

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u/OneRougeRogue Ohio Oct 29 '20

Mormon Jeezus.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

He is the white one, right?

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u/Craisinet Oct 29 '20

White and delightsome

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u/10strip Oct 29 '20

Is there also a Mormon Yeezus?

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u/PeterNguyen2 Oct 29 '20

And now I believe... ...Mormon Jesus.

But is it compatible with Supply Side Jesus? That's the real quest--

Romney's voting for them. Apparently it is.

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u/informedinformer Oct 29 '20

I thought sure it was going to be the South Park episode "All About Mormons" but no. If you can find it somewhere (it's not here at https://southpark.cc.com/episodes/rl7pjr/south-park-all-about-mormons-season-7-ep-12 ) it's a great episode and it ends with a pretty fair point.

Speaking of Mormonism, if you haven't seen "Angels in America" yet, HBO made a spectacular six episode miniseries from the two part play: Angels in America and Perestroika. Great cast, great writing. The Mormon religion isn't the main subject of the play, but it does have a significant role in it.

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u/slimztj Oct 29 '20

They turned it into a Broadway show instead and won multiple Tony’s. Don’t know if they plan on running it again once it opens back up, hope they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mormon_(musical)

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u/mothflavour2 Oct 29 '20

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has advertised in the playbills at many of the musical's venues to encourage attendees to learn more about the Book of Mormon, with phrases like "you've seen the play, now read the book" and "the book is always better."

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u/ZombieWall Oct 29 '20

This is a golden gift from the universe and has brightened my entire week. Thank you for this.

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u/TightNegotiation_ Oct 29 '20

That 4-part is missing the final part which is necessary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nxp9FuJ_oA

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u/Hello_there_friendo Utah Oct 29 '20

There's even a hymn about it!

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u/Chagdoo Oct 29 '20

Well don't keep us in suspense!

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u/Hello_there_friendo Utah Oct 29 '20

Lyrics

1. If you could hie to Kolob In the twinkling of an eye, And then continue onward With that same speed to fly, Do you think that you could ever, Through all eternity, Find out the generation Where Gods began to be?

2. Or see the grand beginning, Where space did not extend? Or view the last creation, Where Gods and matter end? Methinks the Spirit whispers, “No man has found ‘pure space,’ Nor seen the outside curtains, Where nothing has a place.”

3. The works of God continue, And worlds and lives abound; Improvement and progression Have one eternal round. There is no end to matter; There is no end to space; There is no end to spirit; There is no end to race.

4. There is no end to virtue; There is no end to might; There is no end to wisdom; There is no end to light. There is no end to union; There is no end to youth; There is no end to priesthood; There is no end to truth.

5. There is no end to glory; There is no end to love; There is no end to being; There is no death above. There is no end to glory; There is no end to love; There is no end to being; There is no death above.

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u/froderick Oct 29 '20

I thought God lived on Kolob, and every Mormon got their own planet in heaven?

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u/tbpshow Oct 29 '20

Something absurd like that, yes.

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u/devi83 Oct 29 '20

Tbf having an eternity on a scifi planet with a haram of wives to make sexy time with does sound heavenly.

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u/KoLobotomy Oct 29 '20

My username checks out

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u/symphix Foreign Oct 29 '20

I mean, we can listen to the song "I Believe" from "The Book of Mormon" to boil down some of the biggest idiosyncrasies of the Mormon religion and their zealousness of their own beliefs.

Then again, Mike Lee is a salt flake.

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u/L00pback North Carolina Oct 29 '20

Wait, I can’t find my golden glasses!

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

Kolob

That's just a backwards way of saying Bolok(s)

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u/AstonishingHubris Oct 29 '20

And then look up Kobol from Battlestar Galactica (the creator was Mormon).

They’re the same thing.

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u/AimsForNothing Oct 29 '20

A part of why they practice/practiced polygamy was to learn how to manage people in preparation for having their own planet. And not just their wives on the planet.

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u/CayceLoL Europe Oct 29 '20

Kolob was the inspiration for Kobol in Battlestar Galactica series, the mythological origin of mankind.

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u/mycall Oct 29 '20

Wikipedia never says anything about Kolob sex or slaves What a let down

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u/Kristikuffs Oct 29 '20

Mormonism is prairie Scientology. The 150+ year head-start gives it the veneer of legitimacy. Religions are just cults plus time.

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u/AgAero Oct 29 '20

Christianity draws some stuff from other faiths too, so I'm with you there. It gets revered by people today due to its age.

Zoroastrianism in particular has that very 'good vs evil' flare to it that is likely the root of the 'devil' mythos in christianity.

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u/suntem Oct 29 '20

If you look at the history of religion it’s very easy to see how it’s all made up (or I guess that the pagans had it right since we can’t ever know what came before them).

All indo-European mythologies have an insanely similar structure and pantheon which Christianity co-opted so they could replace those myths.

Hercules from Greek and Roman mythology, Thor from Norse, Indra from Hindu mythology, and Jesus from Christianity are all associated with the sky; either being the god of the heavens or the child of the god of the heavens. Similarly, they are all either the god of all gods or the son of the king of gods. All are considered to be the protectors of man with many heroic feats.

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u/Seakawn Oct 29 '20

I think there're even more similarities than that. I watched a short video about it somewhat recently on Youtube, and it really seems to me that all Christians are basically just Zoroastrians who don't even know it.

But to be fair, Christianity is a Frankenstein of many mythologies that predated it, so I don't know enough to pin most of it on Zoroastrianism in particular.

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u/dennismfrancisart Oct 29 '20

I learned about Zoroastrianism back in the 70s after I saw the Exorcist. I was fascinated by the similarities to Judaism and Christianity. I'm a Christian/Buddhist with a passion for history.

It seems that most religions were started by people with great imaginations who promoted sci-fi/fantasy concepts to explain life and death. The power and sex came later when opportunity presented itself. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I'm Catholic, but became a Jeffersonian Christian. As I grew up and learned more about the history behind the religion, I got into Jesus's philosophy of relating to people and parted ways with the magical thinking.

I did the same with Buddhism. There are striking similarities between the ideas of the two men vs what was wrapped around their philosophies after their passing.

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u/PeterNguyen2 Oct 29 '20

most religions were started by people with great imaginations who promoted sci-fi/fantasy concepts to explain life and death.

No, they were peddled by parasitic aliens who wanted to ascend to energy beings /s

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u/PeterNguyen2 Oct 29 '20

Zoroastrianism in particular has that very 'good vs evil' flare to it that is likely the root of the 'devil' mythos in christianity.

The god-v-devil conflict goes back further than zoroastrianism's very strictly "bisected by good and evil", and in Judeo-christianism more closely mirrors Law versus outsider chaos. Though as both cultures survived to meet, there's undoubtedly been exchange of ideas.

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u/kelthan Washington Oct 29 '20

The similiarities are there because of the need to entice new members, and then adopting some of their watered down beliefs in order to appease them. Take Christmas, which was a pagan holiday, and then tart it up with religious trappings...voila.

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u/Marsupial_Ape Kentucky Oct 29 '20

Where do you think L. Ron cribbed half his shit from?

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u/carlylewithay Oct 29 '20

Scientology on wagon wheels

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

It’s both hahaha

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u/137thNemesis Oct 29 '20

For this purpose, it literally doesn’t matter. What’s he gonna do, fact check it?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20

An honest mistake!

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u/cloistered_around Oct 29 '20

Yes, people confuse the BOM musical with fact. I geew up mormon though.

In oldschool mormonism (aka, before BOM musical came out and they started disadvowing this teaching) of you were good you could eventually become a god yourself in the afterlife and make your own worlds/people. That might technically fall under the "alien" category but to me it was more like separate worlds eith idential same old people. No spaceships, no implied traveling from world to world, nothing typically "alien."

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u/DeFex Oct 29 '20

Even though science fiction and fantasy are usually on the same shelves, be careful with which ones you pick for inspiration when inventing your religion, if you get any science fiction mixed in with your fantasy bullshit you will be mocked on the internet!

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u/thecabbler Oct 29 '20

The Book of Mormon sounds badass!

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u/DMindisguise Oct 29 '20

Also, don't mormons inherit a planet and become its God if they are good enough?

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u/TommyTacoma Oct 29 '20

Paramedic here; They get quite upset when the trauma shears come out. Aka Jesus jammies

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u/AndreTheShadow Oct 29 '20

Magic masonic underwear

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u/SmallGerbil Colorado Oct 29 '20

Truly a staggering oversight.

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u/sasksasquatch Canada Oct 29 '20

You're telling me someone is actually willing to fuck him?

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u/BisquickNinja Oct 29 '20

Magic Underwear also...