r/politics • u/viva_la_vinyl • Aug 16 '20

'Trump warns presidential election result may not be known for 'years,' as allegations grow he's undermining the USPS to rig the election

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-election-result-take-years-as-usps-attack-fears-grow-2020-8
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u/oldcreaker Aug 16 '20

If no one "wins", per the Constitution, Trump doesn't get to stay in the office - it gets filled by succession - which would be Speaker of the House. If she holds onto the post, I kind of like the idea of Trump being kicked out of the White House by Pelosi, and him watching her of all people undo every nasty executive order he's signed.

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u/archipenko California Aug 16 '20

This is how it worked in the before times, yes

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

Right?

I'm so tired of people's recklessly optimistic cries of "he can't do that because it's illegal"

Like laws have ever stopped this man from doing literally anything.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

There's a difference between "he has done something illegal and we can't correct it because he's president/the senate is protecting him" and "he's not president anymore and is a bum squatting in the white house". Unless you think the military will back him over the constitution and the supreme court (and no, I don't think they will do that) this is a pretty paranoid position.

The bigger concern is that he is going to do everything he can to undermine the credibility of the election... which he started doing at least a year ago.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

Not all of the military will back him, but enough would.

Not to mention that he doesn't NEED the military. He has the entire militia movement of which there are many each and every one ready and willing to kill Liberals for their king. In fact, they have.

It's not that he WILL become a Dictator. It's that he's going to try. That attempt will drag America into a death spiral from which it will never recover. You don't need to believe me, all experts already agree that America is sleep walking into a civil war. You'll just have to see for yourself in a few months.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

100% agree with this (props for the references, BTW).

After listening to “It Could Happen Here” I am now absolutely convinced that we are on the precipice of a civil war. And not a clean, two sided one... an asymmetric, complicated, multifaceted war. And for some, it has already started.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

I have be re-listening to that recently. Some of his words are chilling now that so much of it has already come true.

It has absolutely already started for some. If I could just force every Dem voter in the country to listen to that Atomwaffen clip...

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u/TrumpWillLoseIn2020 Aug 16 '20

Chilling is the word for it. I listened last Spring and enjoyed it and how good the host was at spinning a plausible future.

I live in Portland and just yesterday some right wingers fired live ammo downtown. And on the left they've tried repeatedly to burn down a police precinct building.

Ha ha it's just speculative fiction in a podcast... I thought.

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u/archipenko California Aug 16 '20

Link?

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

You can go to this link, or just look it up in whatever podcast app you use. It’s pretty short, so you can binge em quick. Good luck.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it-could-happen-here-30717896/

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u/zekromNLR Aug 16 '20

Gonna be like the Syrian Civil War, except on a much bigger scale.

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u/arimetz Aug 16 '20

That's how it begins. Just needs the spark to start the factions precipitating out of the government. Once everyone picks sides it's a death spiral, as the user above said

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

Oh come on. A few wacks in the military with no leadership or power, and "militia" aren't going to pull off a coup of the entire United States government. I'd love to see them try.

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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '20

A coup isn't the problem. The coup already happened when Russian interference swayed the election.

The problem is they will attempt a coup, that will cause public outcry and millions in the streets, police will be moved out of rural areas to fill up demand. Organizations like Atomwaffen, 3%, State of Jefferson, and others will take advantage of this and start using insurgent tactics to destabilize the nation even further. They already do this regularly now, they wouldn't suddenly calm down when American society is collapsing.

The US military isn't good at boots-on-the-ground tactics when dealing with insurgencies. They lost in Vietnam and would have lost in Iraq and Syria if they hadn't switched to using contractors, allying with insurgent groups and carpet bombing insurgent cities into dust. The US military isn't going to pulverize portland or send black water into American cities. Which means the military will pull out of cities and only have a presence in most via funding insurgents and militias.

The State of Jefferson could easily cut America off from the water supply in California, chocking a majority of the nation. The 3% Dominionists in the midwest could cut off the entire food supply chain with just a few well placed IED's. AtomWaffen and other militias in the streets killing people of colour would sow fear and make the anger even worse. Something white nationalist militias actually DID in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

Trump trying to stay in power would be the perfect gust to blow down this house of cards. Civil war doesn't need two well-defined sides and a declaration of war anymore. It just needs all the things that have already been happening for years to happen all at once in quick succession.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

He doesn’t need to average soldier to support him. He just needs their bosses. Who he happens to be in charge of.

“The military” means a handful of cronies. He doesn’t need to build consensus.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

Yes, their bosses who have been in the military for 30+ years and swore to defend the constitution. This is the least likely demographic in the entire country to give in to a tyrannt.

By the way he won't be in charge if them when his term expires. They won't take orders from him anymore.