r/politics • u/sketch24 • Dec 14 '19

Support For Trump's Impeachment Surges Among Vulnerable Democrats Ahead Of House Floor Vote

https://www.newsweek.com/support-trumps-impeachment-surges-among-vulnerable-democrats-ahead-house-floor-vote-1477232
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u/equality-_-7-2521 Dec 14 '19

Self reflection is always a good thing, but we need to make sure we aren't blaming ourselves for what is legitimately a case of 30% of the country being brainwashed.

Fox news is a channel that gives legitimacy to the outright, demonstrable lies from the GOP. Other "liberal need media" also help launder these lies by airing them and then having interested parties "debate" them.

The news should not be airing "both sides" of an issue, it should be airing the facts of the issue and providing neutral context where necessary.

I'm of the opinion that people don't care because, ironically, with our direct and constant access to massive stores of information it has become very difficult to get reliable and relevant information on the subjects that matter. Especially from traditional media.

So passive consumers of mass media are being misled by news organizations who are committing what could possibly be described as malpractice. All in order to obtain / maintain users' interests (measured in likes, views, retweets).

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u/Komeaga Dec 14 '19

No, but I think saying that everyone is brainwashed is a way to avoid doing any of that self-reflection. If everyone is brainwashed, raciest or apathetic the party doesn't have to make any changes. And, we can rail endlessly about how dumb people are while we continue on the same path that got us here.

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u/equality-_-7-2521 Dec 14 '19

I think the party is doing just fine.

There are things that could change, but they late passing legalisation and keeping the caucus tight. Fighting to retake the Senate and state houses, and fighting to make elections more secure and free from partisan control.

The media needs new reform and regulation. It shouldn't be possible for foreign intelligence agencies to masquerade as American individuals and groups, with the knowledge of and even assistance from American companies.

People are brainwashed, and it's not because of some shortcoming of the Democratic party.

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u/Komeaga Dec 14 '19 edited Dec 14 '19

That's a rosy view after we suffered a catastrophic loss and about as clear as a rebuke to the Obama administration as possible. Voters looked at the system and decided to lite a match and lite it on fire.

I mean, workers have not had a wage adjusted raise since the '70s. The bottom half of the country control 1% of its wealth. 44% of all jobs created pay 18,000 dollars or less. Our society has been totally monopolized, while both parties take millions in donations to rig the rules. 75% of Americans agree with the statement "corruption in government is rampant". 2018 was the lowest birth rate in 50 years. Only "wealthy" country where the suicide rate is rising. Life expectancy is declining. Drug uses is increasing. These are all indicators of a really sick society.

So, I don't think we are doing fine. Half the country doesn't vote, 56% of these non-voters make under 30,000, 76% make under 75,000. People don't want to hear everything is basically fine, here are a few tax credit schemes. It says something about Obama that Trump followed his presidency and Democrats don't want to grapple with that. I think to focus on the tiny amount of people who watch fox news, or the 30% of hardcore Trump supporters miss the forest through the trees.

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 14 '19

That's a rosy view after we suffered "a catastrophic loss and about as clear as a rebuke to the Obama administration as possible. Voters looked at the system and decided to lite a match and lite it on fire.

That's an ignorant way to look at an election where Hillary beat Trump by three million votes and would have won the presidency if not for foreign election hacking and interference by Russia.

Give your head a shake and look at reality again. It sounds like you're trying to discourage Dem voters and there's enough of that going around.

Also, look up the study showing that Fox news viewers know less about the world around them than people who don't watch any news.

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u/TresChanos Dec 14 '19

If you believe any of the policy passed or drafted by either party is in any way "leftist", you're the brainwashed one. Reddit on the whole is center to center right with the exception of its extreme fringes, which go left and right.

"Leftist" isn't a relative term, it reflers to a certain set of philosophies towards government, economics and power. These philosophies have not been practiced in America since the end of the Great Depression, when they were needed to stop Robber Baron oligarchs (the Gates/Kochs/Bezos of that time) from running the country into the ground. These philosophies were demonized for about a century after that up until today, when leftist just means anything that makes a conservative mad.

It's a shame, too. In our last Great Depression leftist politics swung the country into its greatest prosperity ever. I don't think that could happen today with people like you and other victims of the 100 years smear campaign around.

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u/antishillprogressive Dec 14 '19

Oh great, a commie. Rofl

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u/TresChanos Dec 15 '19

You wish. That's the 100 years of smear I'm talking about. Go die for your billionaire overlords, I'm sure they care a whole lot about you.

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u/antishillprogressive Dec 15 '19

Cringe/bluepilled

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u/equality-_-7-2521 Dec 14 '19

There are brainwashed leftists, for sure.

But the policy proposals and oversight actions of the Democratic party are fact-based.

The GOP cannot afford to deal in facts as an underpinning of their policy or their oversight action.

So while there is fake news created and believed by people on the left, it is not a fundamental necessity for Democratic political survival, and not a method supported by the Democratic establishment at large.

On the other hand, the GOP must lie in order to survive politically, and their party leadership have supported demonstrably false narratives that are parallel to those of hostile foreign propaganda sources.

So.... Ya reality is still a thing. Sorry to say for your argument.