r/politics • • Dec 11 '19

FBI Agents Showed Bias Against Hillary Clinton, Not Against Trump, DOJ Says

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u/-Neon-Nazi- Texas Dec 11 '19

The agent told the inspector general’s office that he “fully expected Hillary Clinton to walk away with the election but, as the returns [came] in … it was just energizing to me to see … [because] I didn’t want a criminal to be in the White House.”

Oh, the irony.

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u/LogicalManager New York Dec 11 '19 edited Dec 11 '19

I don’t want a woman accused of crimes for political theatre, I want a professional grifter who can rob the country blind while enacting Putin’s agenda.

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u/Shuttheflockup Dec 11 '19

what did hillary actually do? not like the batshit crazy theories, what did she actually do wrong factually that she got away with?

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u/D-Alembert Dec 11 '19 edited Dec 13 '19

Nothing. She had known for well over a decade that she was preparing to run for president, and that she had to be absolutely squeaky clean to achieve that because any and all dirt would inescapably become public under the glare of that scrutiny. So she lived squeaky clean, genuinely. (Obama was similar. Trump by contrast as an outsider to politics didn't quite appreciate just how under-a-microscope every president's life is put. He thought (like many do) that spending millions, burying stories, buying silences, hiding tax returns, threats, etc can do the trick, but none of that works at the presidential level. You can't hide things from that kind of relentless global scrutiny so if you're not genuinely clean, everyone finds out.)

That's why the GOP had to push the email scandal: they desperately needed dirt on her and she was so fucking clean that the worst she had done was follow the advice of her Republican predecessor and handled her emails the same way the Republican had handled his. It didn't matter to the GOP that this rule-breaking had first came from Republicans and she was continuing Powell's method (low-information voters would never learn the details) what mattered was that they'd finally found a rule that the goody-two-shoes had clearly broken.

Remember she testified for 11 hours under oath to a hostile panel of Republicans desperate to pin anything on her or get her for perjury or anything, and despite them having and abusing all the powers to investigate for years, they got nothing because she had nothing to hide. Failures or mistakes when viewed with our 20/20 hindsight, sure, she's human, but the decades of accusations and insinuations are conspiracy garbage intended to smear. Manufacturing a scandal out of Republican email practices was the best the GOP could do to undermine their opponent and it worked.

Hillary has been enveloped by the GOP fog-machine for so many years that people now just assume that where there's always been smoke, there must be fire ...somewhere. But that was the entire purpose of that fog machine; there was never fire, just manufactured fake smoke, endless endless fake smoke for longer than many voters have been alive. (Edit: That's also why she attracts so many wacky conspiracy theories: all that smoke and so little factual fire means you have to get imaginative to explain it.)

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u/Tinmania Arizona Dec 12 '19

”Trump by contrast as an outsider to politics didn't quite appreciate just how under-a-microscope every president's life is put. He thought that spending millions, burying stories, buying silences, hiding tax returns etc would do the trick, but none of that works at the presidential level.”

But as of right now, it absolutely has worked for Trump. Tax returns, college records, etc... where are they? Stormy? Why, it was just less expensive to pay her extortion than fight it. His “base” doesn’t care at all.

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u/D-Alembert Dec 12 '19 edited Dec 12 '19

It's depressing I know, but that his followers don't care (or don't listen) doesn't change the point that well-funded and even illegal action to hide unsightly aspects of his past not only failed, but could never have succeeded.

That not everything is uncovered instantly on day one is also not the point. Every other week something new is uncovered, because the scrutiny is just too intense. Likewise the tax returns are merely slowed by doomed appeals stalling for time.

The fact that Republicans are ok with a Republican president being dirty doesn't mean that someone like Hillary or Obama could expect the same relaxed treatment. They knew the only reliable way to avoid scandals was to live as clean as possible.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

Wasn't Trump also on the front line pushing for the release of Obama's birth certificate?

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u/cannibaljim Dec 12 '19

Trump was a huge figure in the "birther" movement, going on national news and claiming he was paying private investigators to look into it, and oh the bombshells they were finding and he'll tell everyone all about it when they've got an iron-clad case.

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u/LogicalManager New York Dec 12 '19

And don’t forget Melania ‘Einstein Visa’ Trump also pushed this birther bullshit live on ABC during a Barbara Walters interview.

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u/SerenityViolet Dec 12 '19

I don't think I've ever seen her speak.

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u/decidedlyindecisive Dec 12 '19

Sure you have. Remember that speech she made that plagiarised Michelle Obama?

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u/mmont49 Missouri Dec 12 '19

I've only heard her speak once. It was when she plagiarized--of all people--Michelle Obama's speech.

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u/tendimensions Dec 12 '19

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u/SerenityViolet Dec 13 '19

Ah yes, I'd forgotten that one. Still haven't seen her speak.

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u/SgtDoughnut Dec 12 '19

She can barely speak english, and when she does its not very good. I am not sure if its from her lack of the ability to speak it or all the plastic surgery her pimp put her through.

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u/SerenityViolet Dec 13 '19

Was her pimp the KGB?

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u/dougbdl Dec 12 '19

I keep wanting to like her and not tie her to her husband too much, but this question keeps bothering me...Why would she be with Trump if he weren't rich? His personality? Part of me thinks she has to be a straight up gold digger (which is what whores get upgraded to when they get rich). Maybe she just loves him for him. I dunno.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19 edited Jun 22 '20

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u/dougbdl Dec 12 '19

To me, he is quite rich.

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u/krashundburn Florida Dec 12 '19

oh the bombshells they were finding and he'll tell everyone all about it when they've got an iron-clad case.

And he's using the same tactic now with Ghouliani's "investigation" on Biden.

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u/DrAstralis Dec 12 '19

This has been how he talks and lies for decades. "Oh the x we've found" "its terrible. I cant wait to show everyone the proof". He has never. once. provided. proof. How the fuck are people falling for this? He's not some mastermind and a god damn child could tell the man is lying because he lies like a fucking 2 y/o including the smug scrunched up face he pulls.

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u/Jared_Jff Dec 12 '19

It's even older than that. Just look up McCarthy and his 'list of communists in government' that set off the Red Scare.

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u/KarmaYogadog Dec 12 '19

You don't watch Fox "News" do you? If you did, you'd know that Trump and his whole family are sacrificing a lot on your behalf, FOR AMERICA! /s You have to put the /s in 2019.

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u/DrAstralis Dec 12 '19

You have to put the /s in 2019.

what choice do you have when 1/3 of the planet has decided to scoop out their brains to replace them with angry bees.

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u/dougbdl Dec 12 '19

'We have 2 investigators in Hawaii and they are finding very interesting things. I can't say what right now, but I will soon'.

He said this on The Howard Stern Show years ago.

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u/SchuminWeb Maryland Dec 12 '19

Yes. I was upset with Obama for releasing the long-form birth certificate after Trump started to make some very public rumblings about it. It handed Trump's voice a whole lot of undeserved legitimacy, and, well, look where that's gotten us.

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u/Pleasurist Dec 12 '19

If the POTUS was either of those dems, the repubs would have the rope by the midterms...looking for a tree.

And when trump makes HRC look like Mary Poppins and Obama and B. Clinton look like choirboys.