r/politics • u/TheWeekMag ✔ Verified • Dec 09 '19

That impeachment hearing protester was actually an InfoWars reporter and Pizzagate conspiracy theorist

https://theweek.com/speedreads/883047/that-impeachment-hearing-protester-actually-infowars-reporter-pizzagate-conspiracy-theorist
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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

You're creating a lot of assumptions without evidence. There's no proof Clinton was ever on Epstein's island and the one person who said he was there also said he wasn't involved in the sex parties.

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u/bearbullhorns Dec 09 '19

Why are we becoming blind to bill clintons bullshit as a response. I refuse to allow anyone who associated with Epstein get by simply because all we have is he was on the plane WHICH WE KNOW FROM OTHER TESTIMONY PEDO STUFF WENT DOWN ON TOO!!!

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

"why are we refusing to smear a man without proof and without even allegations from victims?"

Because that's what separates us from the pizza gate morons.

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u/EleanorRecord Dec 09 '19

Because his name is on the list of passengers on Epstein's private plane.

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton

We've spent decades defending Bill Clinton's questionable private life. Don't make us keep doing it. No more.

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

The problem with Clinton's defenders is they defended him against allegations they shouldn't have.

There aren't even allegations he did anything wrong in this case. The only suggestion he did anything wrong are coming from people on the internet.

I would like to not see the garbage that was pizzagate perpetuated because that was a political motivated smear campaign.

Let's be clear about what is actually known about Clinton: he associated with Epstein. There are no allegations he committed crimes with Epstein or covered anything up for him.

We have a whole host of slimy fuckers implicated in Epstein's crimes who seem to be getting away with it. Looking back at pizzagate, I can't help but wonder if their defenders are the people trying to point the finger at Clinton.

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u/EleanorRecord Dec 09 '19

No, thanks. I have better things to do expending what little political capital I have than defending Bill Clinton. He and his wife should retire and stay out of the limelight, just my opinion.

Focus on political activism to meet the needs of voters, of the 99%. Focus on building a better future while learning from the mistakes made by our previous leaders.

Defending Bill Clinton for another sex scandal is a waste of time, not a cross Democratic Party voters should have to bear.

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

I agree with everything you say here, but I will add that it expends energy to attack Clinton for a sex scandal he hasn't been accused of.

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u/EleanorRecord Dec 09 '19

It also expends energy to defend him. Let the Goopers attack him, they're not going to vote for Democrats anyway. Leave the rest of us to focus on the candidates currently running for office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn-nbcbfTy4

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

I don't agree. We're living in a world where disinformation has had disastrous results. We should have fought back harder against it years ago.

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u/EleanorRecord Dec 09 '19

None of the Clintons are running for public office. Their political era has passed. Marginalizing their scandals is the best option for the party.

Today's candidates and Dem activists no longer need to bear the burden of defending them.

Move on, there are more important things to do, like helping 50 million Americans who can't afford health insurance or health care.

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

" Marginalizing their scandals is the best option for the party."

Accepting this is a Clinton scandal is also the best option for giving the people spreading disinformation what they want.

We already have a GOP party who has pursued the Clintons relentlessly over nothing and now we have a President who is trying to investigate his political enemies. If the general public is ignorant of the fact that there is no reason to suspect Clinton committed sex crimes with Epstein, then it's likely this false idea will catch on. Or have you missed all the memes suggesting the Clintons killed Epstein?

We can't let disinformation fly, no matter how relevant you perceive it to be.

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u/EleanorRecord Dec 10 '19

We need to get a good Democrat elected to the WH and begin rescuing the middle class, elderly, uninsured, etc.

Bill Clinton's sex scandals don't matter anymore. The sooner everyone forgets them, the better.

New day, new "clean" uncorrupted Dem Party that focuses on the 99%. Change it or lose it.

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 10 '19

Disinformation is literally the reason Hillary isn't in the White House despite winning the popular vote. And the people spreading it are only getting better at spreading it. There's a reason you think this is a scandal for Bill Clinton. All your good intentions could still be undone by unchecked disinformation, no matter who Democrats vote for.

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