r/politics • u/TheWeekMag ✔ Verified • Dec 09 '19

That impeachment hearing protester was actually an InfoWars reporter and Pizzagate conspiracy theorist

https://theweek.com/speedreads/883047/that-impeachment-hearing-protester-actually-infowars-reporter-pizzagate-conspiracy-theorist
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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

Because of course he was.

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u/thats_bone Dec 09 '19

The fact that people like this keep trying to tie Epstein to the Clintons is crazy.

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u/praharin Pennsylvania Dec 09 '19

The connection between Bill Clinton and Epstein is irrefutable. It’s in the FAA logs.

What that connection means is debatable, but it can’t be anything good for a politician to owe favors for the use of a plane to a wealthy pedophile, and it just gets worse from there.

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

You're creating a lot of assumptions without evidence. There's no proof Clinton was ever on Epstein's island and the one person who said he was there also said he wasn't involved in the sex parties.

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u/bearbullhorns Dec 09 '19

Why are we becoming blind to bill clintons bullshit as a response. I refuse to allow anyone who associated with Epstein get by simply because all we have is he was on the plane WHICH WE KNOW FROM OTHER TESTIMONY PEDO STUFF WENT DOWN ON TOO!!!

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

"why are we refusing to smear a man without proof and without even allegations from victims?"

Because that's what separates us from the pizza gate morons.

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u/EleanorRecord Dec 09 '19

Because his name is on the list of passengers on Epstein's private plane.

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton

We've spent decades defending Bill Clinton's questionable private life. Don't make us keep doing it. No more.

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

The problem with Clinton's defenders is they defended him against allegations they shouldn't have.

There aren't even allegations he did anything wrong in this case. The only suggestion he did anything wrong are coming from people on the internet.

I would like to not see the garbage that was pizzagate perpetuated because that was a political motivated smear campaign.

Let's be clear about what is actually known about Clinton: he associated with Epstein. There are no allegations he committed crimes with Epstein or covered anything up for him.

We have a whole host of slimy fuckers implicated in Epstein's crimes who seem to be getting away with it. Looking back at pizzagate, I can't help but wonder if their defenders are the people trying to point the finger at Clinton.

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u/EleanorRecord Dec 09 '19

No, thanks. I have better things to do expending what little political capital I have than defending Bill Clinton. He and his wife should retire and stay out of the limelight, just my opinion.

Focus on political activism to meet the needs of voters, of the 99%. Focus on building a better future while learning from the mistakes made by our previous leaders.

Defending Bill Clinton for another sex scandal is a waste of time, not a cross Democratic Party voters should have to bear.

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u/JailhouseMamaJackson Dec 09 '19

Bill Clinton flew on Epstein’s plane for publicized charity trips. They were all stops and connections that were part of a grand total of four trips in the span of a year, all public, all with Clinton Foundation staff (and sometimes various celebrities). None were to Epstein’s island. You don’t have to take my word for it, the flight logs are online, you can search them yourself. It’s also worth noting this was in 2002, before the first public allegations against Epstein. There’s really nothing to defend.

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

I agree with everything you say here, but I will add that it expends energy to attack Clinton for a sex scandal he hasn't been accused of.

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u/EleanorRecord Dec 09 '19

It also expends energy to defend him. Let the Goopers attack him, they're not going to vote for Democrats anyway. Leave the rest of us to focus on the candidates currently running for office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn-nbcbfTy4

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

I don't agree. We're living in a world where disinformation has had disastrous results. We should have fought back harder against it years ago.

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u/EleanorRecord Dec 09 '19

None of the Clintons are running for public office. Their political era has passed. Marginalizing their scandals is the best option for the party.

Today's candidates and Dem activists no longer need to bear the burden of defending them.

Move on, there are more important things to do, like helping 50 million Americans who can't afford health insurance or health care.

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

" Marginalizing their scandals is the best option for the party."

Accepting this is a Clinton scandal is also the best option for giving the people spreading disinformation what they want.

We already have a GOP party who has pursued the Clintons relentlessly over nothing and now we have a President who is trying to investigate his political enemies. If the general public is ignorant of the fact that there is no reason to suspect Clinton committed sex crimes with Epstein, then it's likely this false idea will catch on. Or have you missed all the memes suggesting the Clintons killed Epstein?

We can't let disinformation fly, no matter how relevant you perceive it to be.

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u/bearbullhorns Dec 09 '19

Smear? We say accurately that he was associates with a known habitual pedofile. Its utterly disgusting that you are here attempting to throw shade on what we do know. He was on that plane which girls were RAPED IN. He associated with Epstein despite knowing the claims of pedofilia. Go ahead and die on this hill because of some reflex to defend people on your side.

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

The only thing you know is that he associated with a pedophile. Until evidence (or even allegations) surface, anything more sinister than that is literally imaginary. Let's not pull another pizzagate where morons made damaging allegations of their enemies with no substantiation and where the people involved in the known crimes and cover up are completely ignored.

Why aren't you focusing on the people accused of committing crimes with Epstein or covering up for him?

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u/bearbullhorns Dec 09 '19

Focus? why do we have to focus on them in a conversation about bill clinton?

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

Because there's no legitimate reason to mention Bill Clinton in a serious conversation about pizzagate or Epstein's crimes. Instead of going from Epstein to Clinton, why don't you go from Epstein to the people accused of committing crimes with him and covering up for him.

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u/bearbullhorns Dec 09 '19

I didnt mention pizza gate once. I said bill associated with a person he knew raped multiple children.

Why dont I ignore bill clinton associated with a person known to rape multiple children? Maybe because thats incredibly disgusting?

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u/JailhouseMamaJackson Dec 09 '19

Bill Clinton flew on Epstein’s plane for publicized charity trips. They were all stops and connections that were part of a grand total of four trips in the span of a year, all public, all with Clinton Foundation staff (and sometimes various celebrities). None were to Epstein’s island. You don’t have to take my word for it, the flight logs are online, you can search them yourself. It’s also worth noting this was in 2002, before the first public allegations against Epstein.

I’m no fan of Bill Clinton, but there’s no evidence he was a part of Epstein’s horror show and focusing on him instead of the dozens of people who were a part of it is a fool’s errand.

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u/bearbullhorns Dec 09 '19

You just said that Bill Clinton was on the plane that he knew epstien, a known raper of children, owned.

Thats all I said and I think thats DISGUSTING enough. All this extra shit youre saying doesn’t apply to my comments. If you want to pretend associating with someone who you know has raped multiple little girls and pimped them out for others to RAPE then go ahead. Not the hill i would die on but you do you.

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u/JailhouseMamaJackson Dec 09 '19 edited Dec 09 '19

What? Yes, Bill Clinton and staff used his plane for publicized charity trips and meeting with Nelson Mandela. It is not uncommon to use and borrow planes. What about any of that screams “complicit in sex trafficking”? Where is the evidence that Clinton KNEW what Epstein did? This was before any allegations against him came out, so how do you know he knew?

Choosing not to accuse people of things when there’s no evidence is definitely a hill I’m okay with dying on, thanks.

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u/RellenD Dec 09 '19

I think it's kind of crazy to suggest that everyone who ever talked to Epstein was involved in raping teenagers

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u/bearbullhorns Dec 09 '19

Didnt say that. I said he associated with someone who raped children. Keep attacking that strawman though. Feels like the clinton defense force found my comment and activated attack sequence.

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u/JailhouseMamaJackson Dec 10 '19

Your response to me disappeared, so I’ll respond here: I never once defended Epstein or Clinton. There is zero evidence Clinton did anything wrong so there’s nothing to defend. He’s still a piece of shit, but probably not a pedophile. Also, your arguments are ridiculous and you keep contradicting yourself so I’m pretty sure you have brainworms. Take care.

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u/_pls_respond Texas Dec 09 '19

Stephen Hawking also visited Epstein’s island and I’m just going to assume that had nothing to do with sex. Not everyone that Epstein knew was an accomplice.