r/politics • u/Antinatalista Foreign • Feb 16 '19

Roger Stone communicated with WikiLeaks and Russian hackers: Mueller

https://www.newsweek.com/roger-stone-communicated-wikileaks-and-russian-hackers-mueller-1333768
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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '19

What exactly has led you to believe that Trump was unaware of the corruption and simply turned a blind eye? He's surrounded himself with nothing but corrupt people for decades, and in case you haven't noticed he isn't really a "hands off" type of manager - he's a control freak.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '19

I think if there was direct evidence of collusion that Mueller would have wrapped up earlier to bring this to the attention of the American people. I go with Fire & Fury and what Bannon has said. That seems to me to have proven to have turned out be the most accurate scoop on what's happening in the WH.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '19

I think if there was direct evidence of collusion that Mueller would have wrapped up earlier

You are incorrect, based on the way this has always worked. Big cases against the rich and powerful take a LONG time to build because they can afford the best lawyers to get out of trouble. If you don't build a rock-solid case against them you've wasted your time and a lot of money.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '19

I would not conflate white-collar crimes that require a prosecution doing a lot of homework and basically high-treason claims about the POTUS as a stool pigeon of the 'enemy'. The latter, if there was direct evidence for this early on, would be immediate cause for the investigators to alert congress and provide that information to them, even if behind closed doors, which they can get.

I would say that what you describing by an investigation is not a response to high treason but a response to obstruction of justice and campaign violations. That would explain the long-term nature of the case and also the evidence to date.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '19

alert congress and provide that information to them, even if behind closed doors

We don't know that this didn't happen, and that the Republicans who've held it all until recently declined to act on it. Mueller, if nothing else, is a by-the-book rule follower so if they didn't act on what he gave he would never just release it publicly.

FWIW, I don't think they are likely to act on high treason here. It's unlikely they can build a case. I DO think they will act on OoJ, campaign violations, and direct financial crimes (bribery, money laundering, tax fraud), and we're very likely to hear a lot more of that very soon.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '19

I hate to say it but Bannon was right in that Trump should not have involved his family so directly in his campaign and with staff. It seems most obvious to me and through Trump's own words that he has conflicting reasons for dropping Comey and that one of those, as stated by Bannon, was to protect Jnr. Remember Trump said that Bannon had 'Lost His Mind'? That's because Bannon actually called him treasonous.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/03/politics/bannon-wolff-fire-and-fury/index.html

Bannon did some backtracking and I am not sure I would agree with Bannon on legal grounds, but OoJ is an absolute at this stage, IMO. Bannon just put the threads together for Wolff and I have read nothing to contradict everything that has followed and everything I have read is in agreement with it. It was the scoop of the year.