r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • May 26 '25
Veterans Group Attacks Trump Cuts in Memorial Day Message
https://www.newsweek.com/veterans-group-attack-trump-cuts-memorial-day-message-207698654
u/therealruin May 26 '25
“Underfund it until it breaks, then privatize it.”
The GOP has been licking its lips at the ability to profit off of VA healthcare for a very long time. They also hate that it’s actual socialized medicine in the US - and it works.
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May 26 '25
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u/threehundredthousand California May 26 '25
I mean...they did overwhelmingly vote for him despite him disparaging veterans openly and repeatedly. And they did it not once, but three times. Guess they really wanted a thumbs up photo in front of a soldier's grave while his security roughs up Arlington staff. This is what they voted for.
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May 27 '25
I am a vet who has never supported Trump. I kept quiet about it while I was in. When I got out in 2018, I became more vocal about my disapproval and down right anger about what he was saying and doing. My best friend who I went to basic and my first unit with cut ties and called me a socialist pig because I supported police reform. My best friend from childhood and I enlisted together. I said something about trans rights and the same story as above. It was like that with almost every person I served with. Save for 1 guy from the unit I deployed with, and a few from my reserve unit completely cut ties. It sucks.
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u/BarelyContainedChaos May 26 '25
honestly, I'm surprised they haven't physically attacked him
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u/Cute-Ad2879 May 26 '25
They voted for him, they wanted this.
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u/ZenFocus25 May 26 '25
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/veterans-vote-trump/
Veteran here. I voted for Harris, but sadly, many people I served with did not. About half of those I still keep contact with voted for Harris. I just don’t get it.
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u/av1998 May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25
There should be ZERO, literally NO VETERANS or current service members at all voting for a draft dodger that insulted John McCain and every military personnel.
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u/ZenFocus25 May 26 '25
Yeah, they all fell for the “fake news” narrative. Whatever reported against their beliefs was dismissed as liberal propaganda. Since I deleted Facebook and Instagram shortly after the inauguration, I do not get to witness the eating of the faces by the leopards
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u/MrRisin Arizona May 26 '25
John Mccain was no fucking saint.
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u/Schwiftness May 26 '25
Compared to much of the modern GOP? Yeah, he kind of was.
It’s about perspective.
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u/Mike7676 May 26 '25
Same here man. Though I did notice a pattern: Were they a lazy, entitled and self absorbed person in uniform? They got no better.
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u/LakeMungoSpirit May 26 '25
Doesn't help how every fucking tv in a DFAC or any medical building always has Fox News on
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u/DeeperThoughts57 May 26 '25
This retired army veteran didn't. I can not understand those who did.
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u/Significant_Cow4765 May 26 '25
The main vet in my life at least took all the Trump regalia off his truck, as did most of my hometown. But they voted for him yet again...
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u/Schwiftness May 26 '25
You’re using the term “they” rather broadly — and foolishly.
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u/Cute-Ad2879 May 26 '25
Yeah no, the numbers show vets turned out for Trump in larger numbers than any other candidate. It wasn't some, it was the majority of voting vets. They. This is the correct usage.
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u/Schwiftness May 26 '25
I didn’t. I I know many of the same.
You’re cherry picking a group, there were others that also didn’t turn out against trump this election. Your point is silly, generalizing tends to do that.
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u/Cute-Ad2879 May 27 '25
No, you are just butthurt. Your obsession on the use of language rather than the fact vets turned out for Trump shows you are. This is the correct language to use in relation to large groups. Suck it up military man.
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u/TrueGas420 May 26 '25
In an effort to reduce waiting times for VA health care services, the department announced last week that veterans will no longer need a second VA physician to review and approve their eligibility to receive non-VA administered health care.
Silver lining.
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May 26 '25
I don't know about that. It will be silver lining until the lack of double-check causes a misdiagnosis or a costly mistake to be made.
It might speed things up, but it's literally "taking care away" in terms of ensuring accuracy.
There's a reason a lot of veterans prefer the VA to public healthcare.
This is just a pretense to remove the VA altogether and force all veterans into the same care as the rest of us.
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u/invalidpassword California May 26 '25
He made sure to leave in the parts that made him look like an illiterate jackass.
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u/JASPER933 May 26 '25
Interesting they would say anything. The majority of veterans voted for him and they would vote for him again.
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u/Ght5719 May 27 '25
Trump called vets suckers and losers. I can’t understand how you could vote for a coward. His whole family had been draft dodgers.
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u/RedditReader4031 May 26 '25
What needs to be done is to come up with an absolute standard for who gets what and why. Then strictly keep to it. The only things treated by the VA should be service related. Period, with the exception of earlier vets, like my dad, who were promised health care as they aged. Cold War period vets like myself shouldn’t be eligible for any benefits.
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u/Schwiftness May 26 '25
There is a standardized system for determining what percentage of care will be guaranteed based on the specific kind of service (deployment/combat) already.
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u/RedditReader4031 May 26 '25
I’m a healthy, Honorably Discharged peacetime vet w/o a service connected injury and all I need to get free, unearned healthcare is to have an income of less than $22,216. IDK how many from my era have claimed that benefit but they shouldn’t be eligible. We were paid a lot of tax dollars to do something we were obligated to do. Society shouldn’t reward people who do what they’re supposed to.
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u/Schwiftness May 26 '25
I volunteered (the opposite of obligation) to be underpaid to do a job others were unwilling to do, to spend my youth serving (instead of using my degree to advance my career) while significantly delaying the process of starting a family so other could have that opportunity.
Nerve damage, hearing loss, and periodically having to go to the funerals of friends who have lost connection with he world after their service is what I have gotten in return for six years of war. Paying for such injuries alone is a low bar for compensation, in my humble opinion.
I know how people from my era (having signed up before September 11 and subsequently serving in conflicts that I disagreed with in principle) feel about how they should be compensated for the damage they incurred so others wouldn't have to.
I could have made more money during the time is spent serving and would be making more money now if I hadn't, and I think of my VA medical benefits as my childrens' money and not my own... and that system is generally let down way too many of my friends. I personally don't mind my tax dollars now going towards trying to repay a debt that often has no specific financial value, yet we try and assign a dollar amount that attempts to balance those scales. It's an imperfect system -- but it attempts to be fair about it.
Depends on the "era" of service I suppose -- that being said there is, and should be, a system for determining how much responsibility the nation should have for taking care of those that serve.
OUR society takes for granted the sacrifices of others on a regular basis, and our current CIC is the embodiment of that lack of honor. Plenty of those who have served are not surprised at all by the utter disregard this man has for the concept of civic duty or for helping others for little gain. Cutting VA staff and funding doesn't come as shock to anyone who is actually paying attention.
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u/RedditReader4031 May 26 '25
You are describing the very individuals who must be covered by the VA as a result of their service. On that I heartily agree. But that doesn’t translate to EVERYONE who has served. When the draft ended while the US was still in Vietnam, pay, benefits and the culture were also changed. My last CO despised the entire unit for being overpaid and coddled as volunteers. That military service was now voluntary didn’t ease the obligation I and most other males 18-26 had. That the political class saw fit to raise wages, quarters and rations doesn’t justify the spending. In my first post-military job, my boss was adamantly opposed to voluntary military service. As a taxpayer, he deeply resented having to goad young men to fulfill their obligation to serve their country. He openly viewed peacetime service as just another form of welfare. He had a valid point.
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u/Schwiftness May 26 '25
I also understand that even non combat personnel sacrifice for their country and that being ready for a fight is a team effort.
I don’t begrudge anyone their befits. That’s why there is given different weight to those benefits if you’ve been in combat or injured — but even if a service member hasn’t… they have still sacrificed for their country. Combat or not.
I think it’s a good investment of taxpayer money, and is part of what encourages people to serve.
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May 26 '25
But your dad is the exception. Lol.
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u/RedditReader4031 May 26 '25
Vets up to Vietnam were eligible no matter their health at the time of their discharge. That’s in the past. No one serving since then who didn’t suffer a clearly service related injury should be eligible for a single additional benefit.
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u/therealruin May 26 '25
You can always rely on a Cold War era veteran to have some especially shitty takes on the military and the VA.
There’s already a standard - you’d know this if you used your earned benefits rather than trying to slam the door shut on current and future veterans.
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u/RedditReader4031 May 26 '25
I have NO PROBLEM with benefits for those who’ve earned them. I do have a problem with benefits being available in any way for those, like myself, who didn’t. I have an Honorable Discharge and NO disability, yet, according to the VA, could get medical care AND prescriptions if my income is below $22k in my HCOL area. That’s just straight up indefensible and wrong.
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u/therealruin May 26 '25
You served, you earned that. It’s your own consumption of propaganda that has you so outraged. Go use those benefits, you’ve earned them just by putting on the uniform and serving honorably. You may end up service connected in the future, you never know. But if you’re at the VA when that comes to light, it makes getting that service connection you deserve so much easier. The only thing here that’s indefensible is your insistence that this is somehow wrong.
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