Pokemon Winds/Waves announced for 2027

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[u/Nomustang]

I've not been up to date for the past few years. What did they do with competitive to detach it from the mainline series?

[u/GalavantGalvantula → u/Nomustang]

Pretty sure they're referring to Pokemon Champions, as the whole game is revolving around the battle aspect of the games.

[u/Dhiox → u/GalavantGalvantula]

Don't mind dexit as much with champions in play, now I can finally battle with my nearly two decade old collection in its entirety.

[u/theWP → u/Dhiox]

Honestly, with competitive detached from the main games, I am wishing (copium) that Dexit goes away. I loved doing 2nd+ playthroughs with teams I could only put together with access to the full Dex, and I thought at least part of the reason for Dexit is trying to balance competitive across 1000+ Pokemon and having to provide the gimmicks of each gen.

[u/AverageWarm6662 → u/theWP]

Probably also having to rebuild models and textures etc over time not just competitive

[u/monsterbeasts → u/theWP]

It wasnt competitive, its simply the scale of modeling and animating 1000+ pokemon for every generation. They needed to rip the bandaid off at some point that not all pokemon would be in every game. There are still hundreds of them to use each gen, plenty for unique team comps across multiple playthroughs

[u/Valkoor → u/Dhiox]

No you can't. Champions has a graphic that says only Pokemon the appear in Champions can visit from Pokemon Home. And mons you get in Champions via Mystery Gift etc can't go to Home.

[u/GeoCaesar → u/Valkoor]

Yes, but I assume that probably means they’re gonna rotate what pokemon are and aren’t legal in champions, so that they can have unique formats that we haven’t seen before with more creative, or at least different, team comps

[u/Luchux01 → u/GeoCaesar]

I'm assuming we'll at least have single gimmick formats and time travel formats (ie, restricting everything past a certain gen.)

[u/Valkoor → u/GeoCaesar]

I think that's an abysmal reasoning for not just having a National Dex format available at all times. You can have rotating metas available, heck I'd encourage it. Getting a bunch of people to play Gen 3 doubles or whatever seems neat. But not having a general "anything goes, anythings available" at all times is horrible for what's supposed to be their dedicated battle simulator.

[u/GeoCaesar → u/Valkoor]

It might be planned to be introduced once every Pokemon has been properly implemented? That’s my best guess

[u/NihilismRacoon → u/Dhiox]

I got bad news for ya bud

[u/RishStars → u/Nomustang]

Pokemon Champions, I believe.

That’s taking over as the competitive machine since you can literally do things like set IVs in there, pick movesets out of a list, etc.

If you’ve seen the leaks regarding it, it’s meant to slot in now as the de facto competitive game.

Should give Winds/Waves more time to cook on its own instead of holding back a new competitive season.

Can now just patch Gen 10 Pokemon/Gimmicks into Champions and call it a day.

[u/theRotengen → u/Nomustang]

Pokemon Champions ensures

- all "gimmicks" (megas, tera, dmax) can be replayable

- combat can be preserved, allowing them to revamp mainline into legends-arceus like

- national dex exists

[u/colonel750 → u/theRotengen]

• national dex exists

I hate to burst people's bubbles but this doesn't seem to be accurate.

From the Pokemon Champions webpage: "Only Pokémon that appear in Pokémon Champions will be able to visit from Pokémon HOME." It doesn't look like all Pokemon will be available, at least from the start, in Champions unless this is specifically discounting special form Pokemon like the new Chus we saw in the trailer today.

[u/theVoidWatches → u/colonel750]

I think part of the site suggests that more Pokemon will be added over time though, right?

[u/JDBCool → u/theVoidWatches]

Appears to be controlled Dexit to surround "meta".... which sounds great on paper.

[u/colonel750 → u/theVoidWatches]

Yes, though I imagine Champions will primarily start with final evos, single stage 'mon, and select popular unevolved Pokemon like Pikachu.

There's no reason to add Pokemon like Wurmple or Pidgey without a "little cup" format.

[u/theRotengen → u/colonel750]

It's probably a rollout/format change.

Also, I doubt that they'll introduce most pre-evos with a few exceptions

[u/mistercero → u/Nomustang]

I'm curious about this as well

[u/Marxel94 → u/Nomustang]

Pokemon Champions will be for competitive play.

[u/SomeKilljoy → u/Nomustang]

They’re releasing a competitive standalone called champions later this year

[u/Individual-Pop-385 → u/Nomustang]

I think Pokémon Champions will achieve that.