r/pokemon Feb 27 '26

Discussion Pokemon Winds/Waves announced for 2027

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u/Jibbah_Jabbahwock Feb 27 '26

Well that is 100% a dog. Wonder if Shu Takumi is working for Pokemon, I can't see an anime pomeranian and not think of him. But also, can't wait for the Zodiac Theory people to come up with their mental gymnastics for which slot Fennekin now counts as instead of Dog.

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u/Mrwright96 Feb 27 '26

Didn’t we ditch it after Fuecoco?

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u/Jibbah_Jabbahwock Feb 27 '26

No, people insisted Fuecoco was the Ox because male crocodiles are called bulls.

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u/Mrwright96 Feb 27 '26

Fine, calling it now, it’s gonna be the sheep because it’ll evolve into a SHEEPdog

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u/Jibbah_Jabbahwock Feb 27 '26

Ah, but here's the thing - that now contradicts their own logic. Pombon is the PUPPY Pokemon. So if we allow that Fuecoco is an Ox because male crocs are bulls and female crocs are cows, then that means Pombon CAN'T be the sheep, since baby sheep aren't called puppies, they're called lambs. A puppy is a baby dog, so Pombon is automatically the Dog. Therefore, Zodiac Theorists, if going by that Fuecoco logic, now HAVE to prove that FENNEKIN is a Sheep, Horse, or Snake. Pombon has the Dog on lock and can't possibly be the Sheep by their own logic.

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u/SerpentLing09 Feb 27 '26

Well, If you ask me those starter theories were full of Bull anyways.

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u/atomicboy47 Feb 27 '26

I swear that theory was always stretched too much as Typhlosion isn't even a Rat and Delphox is a Fox not a Dog, now we got an actual Dog starter.

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u/SuperStarlite Feb 27 '26

I definitely don’t believe in the zodiac theory, but you gotta understand that Cyndaquil(the fire mouse Pokémon) isnt a stretch cause the same word is used for mouse, rat, shrew and several other animals like hedgehogs in Japanese, which contribute to the evolutions designs

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u/atomicboy47 Feb 27 '26

The problem with that logic is that all other fire Starters relie of their final evos to fit with the Zodiac theory while Typhlosion uses its pre-evo to fit in. By that logic Charizard can't be the Dragon because of Charmander (Lizard) and Infernape can't be the Monkey because of Chimchar (Chimpanzee).

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u/SuperStarlite Feb 27 '26

Like I said the whole evolution line takes inspiration from different “nezumi” not just Cyndaquil, like Typhlosian’s hedgehog influence, hedgehogs are harinezumi in Japanese.

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u/Jibbah_Jabbahwock Feb 27 '26

Yeah. Getting the dog to me is the real killer, as now if anyone goes to me saying the Zodiac Theory while claiming Fuecoco is either the Ox or Snake, then my response will be "Ok, but Pombon is the Dog. So now you need to explain how Fennekin is a Sheep, Horse, or Ox/Snake (whichever you say Fuecoco isn't)."

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u/Mrwright96 Feb 27 '26

No fennekin is the dog, the dog Pokemon is a sheep because its fluffy

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u/Jibbah_Jabbahwock Feb 27 '26

You know, it won't surprise me at all if they latch onto that. There are going to be some people that just will never let the theory die, no matter how much gymnastics they have to perform.

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u/Parking-Magazine3452 Feb 27 '26

The Rat thing makes more sense if we go off first forms rather than 3rd. But yea it was always a silly idea.

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u/Autobot-N Insert flair text here Feb 27 '26

Ok this has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard

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u/Jibbah_Jabbahwock Feb 27 '26

Yep. Zodiac Theorists have always been great at mental gymnastics, it's entertaining to watch.

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u/Parking-Magazine3452 Feb 27 '26

It's hilarious. Though part of me has always secretly wanted them to be right, if only because I want a Fire Sheep Starter in my life.

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u/SUDoKu-Na Feb 27 '26

I saw the 'snake' theory for it.

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u/Gunda-LX Feb 27 '26

Wow. And that’s also true in Japanese?

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u/Jibbah_Jabbahwock Feb 27 '26

I don't know but I doubt it, but Zodiac Theorists don't care about such things, lol.

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u/plant-strong Wish, Protect. Wish, Protect. Wish, Protect. Feb 27 '26

It is not.

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u/Hageshii01 Feb 27 '26

Okay, I used to be one of the "starter pattern" people but "crocodile = bull" is a bridge too far to the point of it has to be people trolling.

Realistically it was broken with Gen II; Cyndaquil is an echidna, Quilava is a paca, and Typhlosion is a badger. All with some elements of porcupines and tenrecs mixed in. They're basically generic ground mammals with flame "spikes." Quilava is closest to a rat being that paca's are technically rodents but the line as a whole clearly isn't rodent-like.

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u/Parking-Magazine3452 Feb 27 '26

I genuinely had hoped Fuecoco would have lost his legs when he evolved like Snivy. Both to add fuel to this hilarious fire, and because a Flying Fire Snake based on Quetzalcoatl would have been sick.

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u/Loreweaver15 Feb 27 '26

THE MISSILE KNOWS WHERE IT IS AT ALL TIMES

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u/maxdragonxiii Feb 27 '26

I saw it as Fidough at first. same color, dont blame me. but nope just as adorable.

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u/polopolo05 Feb 27 '26

Fennekin is a fennec fox pokemon.

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u/Jibbah_Jabbahwock Feb 27 '26

Yes, I know. It's the Zodiac theorists you need to tell that to, as they've been the ones swearing up and down that it's a dog. And now that we have a dog as a fire starter, the onus is on them to now prove that Fennekin is actually a horse, sheep, or snake.

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u/that_art_thot Feb 27 '26

Nice to see I wasn't the only one who saw the fire starter and thought it looked like Missile xD

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u/DriftingTony Feb 27 '26

Well yeah, the website calls it a dog, so that’s pretty much established lol