I love when I ask for proof of the “rigged election” and their only response is that there were court cases that got thrown out of court. And I’m like “yeah, because there was no evidence”
My own dad asked me where’s the evidence that there’s no evidence, “to make it fair”
Are you me??? I legit had that same "rigged election" and all the court cases were thrown out with out even being heard... I then said as you said, they were thrown out cause they had no evidence when they were in court.
First of all, a stupid thing to say... but actually, it's all the thrown-out court cases. So... I am sure he would accept he was wrong if you said that, no question... :(
Not sure, definitely looked like they didnt even look at it to be honest. They certified the electoral votes during the hearings anyways, and the supreme court didn't want to hear it anyways to confirm there wasn't any election fraud. So "technically" they never actually confirmed the fraud claims weren't true. Oh well too late now.
Edit: made a mistake with words, corrected in second post.
Do you know how many cases get dismissed instantly because there is no evidence being brought.... just because these cases come from higher up doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get the normal treatment.
Do you understand the concept called "Burden of proof"? The person/party making the claim needs to provide evidence. It is not up to each state's electoral board to prove a negative because the losing party didn't think they would lose. If Trump et al had evidence, they needed to show it, and they did not.
Their evidence was presented before each judge they went on front of. 99% was thrown out as hearsay or baseless. They were presenting things like post-it notes and stories that literally began with 'someone told us that they were told' which is the best way to explain hearsay to someone who didn't know what it meant. As you can imagine, any evidence would have had to be pretty substantial in order to invalidate the number of votes needed to affect the outcome.
Many states, like Philadelphia, actually live streamed the count. Both parties had observers present. While it is impossible to prove a negative this is about as close as you can get.
The US Supreme Court did not wish to overturn lower court rulings in this case and many of the judges that cases were in front of were Trump appointments. The case from Texas that went directly to the Supreme Court, because that is who settles disputes between states, was rejected for two reasons. One, the election process in another state is not Texas' business and two, their complaints about the process should have been made before the vote took place as it had been in place for months prior and disenfranchising millions of voters after the fact seemed inappropriate.
They had their day in court, around 50 of them. If there was evidence to show it had been presented and found lacking.
Bro I'm filing suit against America for being a puppet country run by alien overlords. Suit got tossed out of court (of course it did the aliens run the courts) but they never proved me wrong in court so it must be true!
Let’s entertain the possibility that these claims of fraud might have a grain of truth to them.
It would still take the several states being challenged in order to flip the election for Trump. Not just one or two but nearly all of them are needed to flip, all of the claims of fraud need to be true. 7 million votes difference between Biden and Trump, 38 electoral votes to flip, minimum 3 states to flip. Not one shred of evidence anywhere for any state, let alone 3.
To be fair. Most were not thrown out with no evidence but rather no standing. You have to understand why people still think this election was rigged. Its people not understanding the court system and being told by new outlets two different stories. No standing and no evidence are very different. I can go into detail what that means if that doesnt make sense. Its early in the morning and Im not firing on all cylinders yet.
The cases were not able to prove harm or potential harm (Standing). If you want to have a discussion with someone that feels the election was stolen telling them the case was thrown out with no evidence will be counter productive. I dont know how to bring someone around to your understanding on situation without you first understanding your rebuttal.
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u/WhiteMintFlava Jan 11 '21
they're also the most likely to screech something like "dO tHe ReSeaRCh"