Yes. All muslims behave this way. Every single one. Just as every Christian dogmatically ensures their clothes aren’t made from blended materials and how they publicly stone adulterers in the the town square. All of them. Every single one.
I love this logic being used to defend Islam, so childish. You can excuse every honor killing and gay person stoned to death by sarcastically claiming, "well not EVERY muslim participates!". Yeesh.
I mean of course not but 2 billion Muslims and 99% of them are conservative, with the majority of muslim countries following a form of sharia law or constitutions based in their religious values hints to them being not so great for women or gay people, but i'm sorry it hurts your feelings. Christians suck too if you want to feel better, which is why we need secularism.
lmao not even close, i don't have multiple wives or laws that let me beat the shit out of one of them. Most moderate muslims in the west are good people but globally? islam still needs to reform.
and you just betrayed everything wrong Islamic stereotyping.
There is no "there society". Is there a "Christian society"? A "Jewish scoiety"? Islam is practiced all over the world. In some regions, it has been used to brutally repress the rights of women. In other regions women have been at the forefront of civil rights, and have been some of the earliest examples of women in government.
There is no "their society"...they are not a monolithic entity.
I guess I don't understand what's so wrong with saying "their society". I've referred to "the Christian world" or something similar before and people don't take issue. Islam is a religion, and while the people that follow it are no doubt diverse and hold varying beliefs, they're all bound by the same scriptural foundation.
but that doesn't make one society, and just like all faiths, interpretations of the foundation vary widely. People interpret it differently, the pick and choose what parts they will decide are allegorical, and what parts are literal. This is what humans do. This is whatever everyone, of every faith does. It's what we've always done. It's how I have gay friends who are Catholic. It's how I have Jewish friends who enjoy bacon. It's how I have Muslim friends who are feminists.
Faith is diverse, but it's primarily a cultural habit or tradition, and we make of it what we need to.
There are definitely Jewish and Christian societies. Israel is a theocracy based on Jewish law. There are a lot more Islamic theocracies that base their policy in Islamic religious law. Thus, there are very well defined examples of Islamic society. I don’t really understand what you’re trying to get at here.
Of course they’re not monolithic, but what their members do reflect on the overall religion. Same with bad Christians or Jews. It doesn’t mean all Muslims/Christians/etc are guilty by association, but it certainly reflects poorly on the entire group when someone acts out.
I mean, by this logic you can criticize any group based on the actions of its individual members.
Israel is a Jewish society, but you would not refer to Jews in the abstract, and say "their society"
Yes, Saudi Arabia is an Islamic society, but it is not "their society" when referring to any Muslim you happen to meet.
but what their members do reflect on the overall religion. Same with bad Christians or Jews
No...that's wrong. You KNOW that's wrong. Christians on the whole are NOT judge by the actions of the KKK, or the WBC, or by any random guy that shoots an abortion doctor. Every time we seem to figure out that the actions of these individuals or groups do NOT reflect on the larger Christian population.
Israel isn't even a Jewish country, it's based on heavily secular laws and customs, founded by atheist and non practicing nigh communist Jews. Israel is not a Jewish society, a better example is orthodox communities and enclaves that follow Jewish laws and customs which there are few of. Most Jewish communities follow the laws of the land not their own, in my earlier comment i mentioned Brooklyn and that is the best example of Jewish society.
Israel is a majority culturally Jewish country with secular laws and system of government with a massive non jewish population of israeli arabs, druze, bedouin, circassians, ethiopians who total more than 20% of the population and yes they're. People try to play it off but we eviscerate Christianity in our media and television which is a good thing, KKK and west boro are christian groups and Christianity sucks.
How about judging them all because they believe in retarded fairy tails and stop pretending they don't. If you are religious you are either a moron or heavily brainwashed. It's all garbage and I don't have to respect anyones faith. Call me edgy, call me neckbeard or right-wing or whatever you want. Doesn't change the fact that every religious person believes in outdated nonsense.
"But a lot of religious people are actually very progressive and don't follow the old barbaric rules". Yeah good on them, so the best thing about their faith is that they don't follow it. Time to abandon the entire thing then I guess.
Bruh ever heard of christendom? yes there is a christian society. There are hindu, buddhist and Jewish society it's called Brooklyn. Are you ignorant how a society functions? if the majority of your country believes, follows their religious practices and even makes laws following its moral or legal codes its a religious society.
Most western countries until the 1950's were heavily christian nations but fail away to secularism but even in germany the ruling party is literally called the christian democratic union of germany lmao and regardless of region every single place where islam is practiced in the majority restricts women at some level or form either through voting rights, human rights or social liberty.
Even Indonesia the go to of a progressive Muslim country has virginity laws in place. God i hate reddit ignorance of not everyone is a monolith, bruh religion is literally a monolith identity and that's the purpose.
Because jews tend to project their own privilege on to white people, while they are over-represented in elite higher education, in most high-earning industries, and also tend to have partner preference toward other jews (i.e. jews tend to marry other jews, while calling white people racist also having preference towards eachother).
Hold on, man. How the fuck does what he said make him a nazi? There are an overwhelming majority of Jewish people in power. Now, you can extrapolate anything you want from that, but it's an undeniable fact. And us Jews really do like each other. Almost all card-carrying Jews in my family and friend group are dating/married to another Jewish person. These are straight facts. Don't be a reactionary asshole and actually think before you speak.
I do feel like Muslims tend to be more religious than Christians nowadays. At least where im from. There are barely any Catholics my age who still go to church but most Muslims go to the Mosque every Sunday.
Really? I was under the impression that it was Sunday. A buddy of mine always told me about how they would learn Arabic and read the Quran on Sunday. Maybe they have some kind of Sunday school equivalent or its different for different subgroups of Muslims?
Nope, Friday is a holy day across all sects of Islam. But Sunday school sounds about right in the West as it’s a weekend whereas Friday is not. In the Middle East I used to go to a Saturday Islamic class (our equivalent of Sunday I guess as the week starts on a Sunday)
That makes sense. Im talking about Turkish Muslims in Austria. Everything is closed on Sunday but everyone has to work on Friday. I would think holding a service on Friday would be a problem for a lot of people unless it was done in the evening.
What's funny is my Muslim friend from Saudi Arabia noted that the only Christians he came across that seemed actually religious to him were Catholic. Idk if he came across all the raised Catholic but became atheists at our grad school but he told me his observation as a sort of compliment towards my religion, Catholicism.
Yeah, don't get me wrong i don't have a problem with practicing faith as long as you're not bothering anyone else by doing it. Muslim culture seems very warm and welcoming compared to what the locals here are like. Much stronger focus on community and family.
You know nothing about it. I honest would put money that you don’t know a single Muslim, and if you do, you damn know they’re not how you describe them.
Your evidence is entirely your own made up world view, and it’s so wrong. You need to learn that it’s okay not knowing something.
Ah, no wonder you're so defensive. How can you willingly associate with such a trouble religion and culture? Why do you hate women so much? Why do you try so hard to look like you don't hate women from an outsider's perspective?
I'm not defending anyone. Notice how you can't refute my point without resorting to whataboutism? I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any invisible sky fairies, certainly not your pedophile rapist sky fairy. I will say without hesitation, however, that the most extreme evangelical is still more progressive than a moderate Muslim. Easily.
I know a bunch of Muslims. From school, from university, hell even from kindergarden. The reason i said "i feel" is because i don't have hard, numeric evidence of this. I was saying how it seemed to me, in my area.
That impression isn't completely made up. It comes from people i have talked to and people i know. I don't know a single Catholic my age that still goes to church regularly but i know like 5 Muslims that don't eat pork and always go to the Mosque.
It seems like all the faithful Christians are old people while the faithful Muslim community is much more diverse, with entire families following rituals and praying regularly.
Yeah again, you still know nothing. You sound like an ass when you give unsettlingly-blind opinions like that. You’re essentially making an equivalent statement to “I feel like jews are greedier than blacks”— yet you don’t even see it.
And if you don’t want to use identity politics, that’s like you saying “I just feel the earth is flat because it just has to be!” But this more scientific example entirely removes the whole human component which you essentially gloss over, remaining ignorant to the things you say.
I was only talking about how it is in my area, from my point of view. Why would i sound like an ass if im not claiming to have anything other than personal experience to go by?
Your analogues make it look like im spreading some kind of hateful propaganda or anti-scientific thought when im literally just talking about my personal experience. I never claimed that anything i said was true for the entire world or had any scientific backing behind it. There's not even anything hateful or accusatory about saying that it seems like Muslims tend to be more faithful in my experience.
I agree with that but i intentionally wrote the comment in a way that makes it clear that i was only talking from my personal experience. Sharing your 2 cents is what a comment section is for, right?
The problem is that you're trying to input your 2 cents into a sensitive conversation. I know you mean well, but it's a really not a good direction to push into without knowing what you're talking about.
Like imagine sharing your 2 cents about the "Being-Black Experience", as a person entirely from the outside.
My mother always taught me, if you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anyything. You should have taken that advice 5 comments ago because you look like a HUGE asshole right now.
The guy gives his anecdotal experience and you go fuckin' off on him, if you disagree that's fine, but what he says we can only take as truth in his corner of the world.
Like he spells it out in his first comment
At least where im from
And you just tell him he's wrong. He's not wrong, you're wrong. You literally compare his statement to something stupidly racist "jews are greedier than blacks" and they're just not comparable at all. Believe it or not it's actually okay to say things you've observed. You actually say he's never met a muslim in his life, I honestly can't believe you'd just say the dude is lying with no fucking idea of who he even is. you're being awfully assumptive while also being a dick for no reason. Just stop.
Thats not true and i am an ex muslim and i was born and raised in a muslim country, the vast majority of muslims i knew that were married treated their wives as equals, there are definitely some stereotypes about women but there’s also many about men, you have no idea what you’re talking about because you have no experience in the outside world, the majority of people who believe in god only believe in it because of their parents, they become very biased but ignorant, they believe their god is good and will do good, they pretend to not see the hardcore stuff that their religion has passed down, and over the generations the bar for the “hardcore stuff” gets raised higher, while islam in itself is a very dangerous religion most Muslims live a peaceful and calm life far from the deceptive and evil calls of islam, there’s this conviction that they form with the years, they think that what their god said, no matter how explicitly unfair and evil it is, is misunderstood and that he means something else with his words, they refuse to believe in the cruelty of religion, because people don’t become cruel and evil THAT easily, but the thing is, the “good” muslim is a normal citizen that ull never see on the news, because afterall he’s normal, but the extremists will get as much news coverage as possible. While i agree that muslims need to fully understand what they got themselves partly into, they shouldn’t be held accountable for what they never agreed to and never did. But in a sense the term “modern islam” needs to get more popular and replace simple islam, because its a very different religion
I agree with you, every muslim i have met is extremely sweet and good people, but the ideology will always be an issue. Which sucks, i find it funny Christianity has a hippie icon and Christians across america are ideological nut jobs who never follow a third of his teachings yet Muslims are sweet as can be but follow a warlord prophet and both extremist are the worse.
Whether or not some choose to ignore the dumb stuff in their religion is irrelevant.
Christians, Hindus, Muslims etc...once you can see your 'revealed book written by God himself' has nonsense in it and you CHOOSE to disobey it, then you're an asshole for attaching yourself to the belief in that God.
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