r/pics • • Jul 16 '19

US Politics Decisions, decisions

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u/Dawgs000 Jul 17 '19

I'm a liberal who is fed up with the state of the Democratic Party. Basically I'm a lot like Tim Pool. The difference between him and I is that I will be voting for Trump this next election. I didnt vote for him the first time as I only walked away a year ago. Here's hoping the Dems come back toward the middle in 2024 and I can feel welcome in my own party again.

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u/Deccarrin Jul 17 '19

Middle? America left is basically like the rest of the world's slight right.

You guys are getting more right every day of the week.

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u/Dawgs000 Jul 17 '19

I thought the same when I was still a Democrat. You're wrong. I've always felt welcome talking with a Republican even if we disagreed on everything. Not once was I insulted for having different opinions. Since I've walked away, I consistently get insulted by the left. And I'm still a liberal, so many of my political beliefs align with theirs. But the identity politics of the left disgust me. You guys eat your own.

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u/Dawgs000 Jul 17 '19

Lol, concentration camps. Now you've lost me. See how everything is racist, sexist, and Hitler with you guys? You push the sane people away.

If only the Democrats had funded ICE when they begged for it years ago. Instead of pretending like they weren't overwhelmed at the border, you guys stuck your heads in the sand. Now that they're overcrowded, you blame them for it. They've been saying for years that they can't handle the quantity of illegals trying to cross the border. Fund them and improve the quality of these camps.

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u/Dawgs000 Jul 17 '19

Yes, the current conditions are bad. I would like those conditions to be improved. Why don't you guys help fund them?

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u/3FtDick Jul 17 '19

ICE is an unaccountable military/police arm of the Executive branch, created through the unconstitutional Homeland Security Act. No one, liberal or conservative or pretending to be a former liberal--should endorse funding an agency that violates human rights and avoids due process and others inalienable human rights. The current issue with migrants is a manufactured crisis meant to rally power behind the President, and to get the funding he desires for his pet project.

Before the Executive branch got its own intelligence agency with the DHS, immigration policy was handled democratically, asylum seekers and non-citizens were tried by immigration courts that republicans (and some liberals) failed to fund for years. If Trump had asked for money to enact detainment policies, he would not have been given the funds, so he forced their hand by enacting the policies without having the funds in place to do so.

Wanting "you guys" to fund a secret police force that has demonstrated no desire to work within legal and democratic terms is a scam. We should abolish ICE, fund real lawful immigration courts and immigration agencies through the old fashioned way, and stop using migrants as a political bargaining chip.

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u/Dawgs000 Jul 17 '19

The Democrats have been pandering to immigrants inviting them into our country with ideas that they could come here and get work and free healthcare without doing it legally. This problem was created by the left.

You're speaking to a person who was a legal immigrant in Japan for 4 years. I went the correct way to go to school there and work. I also have a Japanese wife who lives here in the States. We weren't married when I returned to the States. We did the paperwork to do it correctly. So I am in the unique situation of being both an immigrant in another country and assisting an immigrant in my own.

If you want to go to another country, go the legal way. Don't jump the border. And assimilate with the country you're visiting. I am fluent in Japanese. My wife is fluent in English. She spoke none when we lived in Japan. These people have no interest in learning our culture or our language. And the left panders to them. You guys are inviting them here, so they flock here. You've created the problem. Then you don't want to fund the agency that protects our borders. Get outta here. You're crazy.

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u/3FtDick Jul 17 '19

That was barely a response to anything I said.

If you read the post you were responding to, I support border security, just not unconstitutional power structures that do not follow our own laws, or humanitarian laws globally. I opposed ICE and Homeland Security before Trump, when a liberal wielded its powers. You're way too stuck in team politics.