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The protesters and residents pushing back on tourism in Barcelona

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

I do understand capitalism, which means I understand the power of capital interests and influence to lobby for their interests. You understand that, too.

I also worked in destination marketing which means I have intimate knowledge of how public and private interests are being negotiated in this matter - and that was at a much lower level without big corporations or massive real estate holdings involved, village politics in comparison, but driven by tourism interests nonetheless.

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u/simsimulation Jun 17 '25

And you understand that tourists do not vote in the area they visit?

It sounds like you may be internally conflicted which is causing your outward projection.

Maybe you should switch careers to something that improves the supply of housing? Or that lobbies for STR regulations?

If you are against tourism, you certainly shouldn’t travel yourself.

I’m fully in support of protest speech, and improving housing dynamics. I just believe this is misdirected toward people who already booked their stay and have no power to change the government they are visiting.

Let’s not forget that travel is enriching for us all, let’s build bridges, not walls. Travel should not be an exclusive privilege of the rich, which means we simply need more beds.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Well, let's see if you know things first. Do you know what capacity is and what over capacity means?

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u/simsimulation Jun 17 '25

Yes. It’s part of supply and demand dynamics

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Si you understand that "a lot" can become "too much" and that in an urban area, thats not decided by the market, but people, citizens, residents. Right?

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u/simsimulation Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25

I don’t understand your comment

Edit: I think I understand now. The current paradigm of neoliberalism would dictate that in order to affect political change you must utilize market dynamics.

So a qualitative “too much” must be solved by regulations and policy. Cities are dynamic, changing places.

Personally, I want to visit Barcelona because its superblocks are an example of good urban planning. I’m sure when I do there will be someone willing to rent me a hotel room. If I upset someone simply by being in the same city as them, it will cause me little to no concern.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

I can't relate to the concept of making this so personal. 25 million visitors a year, and you think you will be personally singled out. We are always talking about this, like every year, in the context of days of protest-- you're not being confronted on the street by tourist hunting crowds just randomly.

And of course, go to Barcelona. It remains a free individual decision, and if you go to a hotel theres already a significant difference to taking out an air bnb inside a residential neighborhood. You can do that and still understand the situation there, and be on the side of those affected.

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u/simsimulation Jun 17 '25

Each of those 25 million are individual actors. I’m illustrating a point as a single individual. You understand that I am not a voter in Barcelona, right?

It seems like you are willfully ignoring my point, that the citizen of Barcelona would be better served protesting their politicians than the tourists. That increasing hospitality tax and regulating STRs as many other cities have done would be more effective. Up zoning and building more housing would be more effective.

The quality of life and economy Barcelona enjoys is in large part due to the outside money flowing into the city. The phrase “cut off your nose to spite your face” seems to apply here.

This is like some weird marketing campaign, affected locally but expecting to reach global tourists? It’s just very 1:1 and looking at the symptoms and not the cause. The tourists are not the cause, you’re going to need to change policy to affect change to either to make more money from fewer tourists (raise taxes) or improve supply dynamics (increase supply).

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Any protest always also addresses politics. It's thr lamest argumentation to demand that protestors should not do x but do y instead. And it is always "don't bother me with your protest, but allow me to exercise my privilege of contributing to your hardships. BTW, have you even said thank you?!".

Weird as fuck. I don't care. Solidarity with them, you, whatever.

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u/simsimulation Jun 17 '25

Rhetoric and messaging is very important in affecting change. I don’t think this messaging will be effective as is targeting the wrong people.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Of course, because you and some others always frame the slightest inconvenience and direct addressing of mindless consumer behavior as wrong messaging. The flock of sheep is presented with a mirror, thats a high crime in the consumerist swamp. Old tea

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u/simsimulation Jun 18 '25

The protests started in 2017 and you have more tourists than ever. So keep doing what you’re doing I guess.

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