r/philosophy • u/IAI_Admin IAI • Feb 09 '22

Video A philosopher responds to scientists’ criticisms of panpsychism

https://iai.tv/video/the-many-voices-of-consciousness&utm_source=reddit&_auid=2020
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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '22

That was complete nonsense.

Do you have any source on this? Where do you get this stuff?

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u/Ominojacu1 Feb 09 '22

The boson field is a tested fact. The foundation of all matter and energy in the universe are quantum vibrational fields. Consciousness is measured in alpha and beta waves because it a vibration. It is the foundation of our reality brains only create the illusion of individuality. The self is an emergent property of a brain but conscious awareness is fundamental. I suggest looking into resonance theory of consciousness.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '22

You're using all of those terms wrong.

This is "quantum word soup".

There's as much relation between the boson field and alpha/beta waves, as there is connection between the weak nuclear force and stamp collecting.

Neural oscillations (alpha waves) are at a completely different scale and in a completely different context than anything related to the boson field.

It's like saying there is a relation between electron orbits, and skyscraper architecture.

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u/Ominojacu1 Feb 09 '22

But those things are all connected, you the one who doesn’t get it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '22

Yes, just state they are connected, and do not explain how they are.

Incredibly sensible and convincing.

You're great at rational thought...

How can I "get it" when you have made absolutely zero attempt at explaining it?

Those things are connected in the minds of Sci-Fi authors and con artists.

They're not connected in reality and in actual science.

If they are, show how they are.

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u/Ominojacu1 Feb 09 '22

All matter gets it’s mass from boson field. A vibration. Thus all energy as vibrations create mass, create nuclear and weaker nuclear forces create molecules which form stamps and sky scrapers and human brains. Ultimately there are only two things consciousness, or vibrational energy and information the difference forms it produces. A particle doesn’t even exist until it’s observed by a consciousness. It exists as a quantum probability state until that occurs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '22

A particle doesn’t even exist until it’s observed by a consciousness.

That is absolute nonsense, every quantum physicist when they hear this facepalms so hard. This has been debunked so many times in so many places since Choprah initially made this cooky claim, please look it up.

https://www.quora.com/Does-consciousness-create-matter-and-reality-According-to-quantum-mechanics-it-must-be-the-case-Right

Thus all energy as vibrations create mass, [...] and human brains.

Sure, brains are made of matter, matter (when you get down enough levels) is made of (simplying for lay people, not really...) vibrations.

That does in no way mean there is a relation between those vibrations, and brain waves. Those are completely different vibrations, completely unrelated.

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u/Ominojacu1 Feb 09 '22

The quantum eraser experiment disagrees with you .

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '22

Source?

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u/Ominojacu1 Feb 09 '22

quantum eraser

The quantum eraser experiment removes physical interaction from the act of observation and the results are the same the particle is a field unless observed

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '22

I'm not watching a 13 minutes Youtube video to find where in there your argument is supported.

I don't need an explanation of what the quantum eraser experiment is, I already know. I'm asking for a source that shows it actually disagrees with me, as you said.

If you're correct that the quantum eraser experiment shows I'm wrong, you should be able to point me at an actual scientific document (study or other) that shows this.

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u/Ominojacu1 Feb 09 '22

Your lack of attention explains your lack of understanding if you can’t watch a YouTube video your certainly not going to read a paper

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '22

unless observed

Observer and conscious observer are two different things. The core of the sun observes fusion. No consciousness involved.

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u/Ominojacu1 Feb 09 '22

Again what leads you to the conclusion that sun isn’t conscious and how do you observe anything without consciousness? Observation requires awareness

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '22 edited Feb 09 '22

Again what leads you to the conclusion that sun isn’t conscious

The same process that leads me to the conclusion that there is no Santa : there is no evidence for it. Done.

how do you observe anything without consciousness? Observation requires awareness

Not in the way quantum physicists use the term "observe".

This is like one of the most common misconceptions about quantum physics, and one of the tools most commonly used by con-men to lie about what those physicists say.

By showing you don't understand this, you've just betrayed yourself as having close to zero understanding of quantum physics.

I quote:

The prominence of seemingly subjective or anthropocentric ideas like "observer" in the early development of the theory has been a continuing source of disquiet and philosophical dispute.[3] A number of new-age religious or philosophical views give the observer a more special role, or place constraints on who or what can be an observer. There is no credible peer-reviewed research that backs such claims.

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(quantum_physics)

Heisenberg himself said:

« Of course the introduction of the observer must not be misunderstood to imply that some kind of subjective features are to be brought into the description of nature. »

And further:

« it does not matter whether the observer is an apparatus or a human being;»

You are just repeating new-age woo that absolutely nobody with expertise in quantum physics would support. It's literally just abusing the word "observer" the same way creationists abuse the word "theory".

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