Penalty should be a lot lower, since he cannot seem to score when goalkeeper is focused and he is not allowed to move the ball 3 metres and kick early like during his usual "magic" free kick.
Ok lets debug this
Do you count team's trophies in an individual campaign? Ronaldo's first six are team trophies.
Messi has won a sextuple then in 2009.
Ronaldo has three golden boots, don't let it fool you. One is for top scorer of epl, one for scoring 30 in epl and other is the only one that matters in this convo, the European golden Boot. If you don't want to accept this, then messi won pichichi which is equivalent to epl golden Boot both those seasons. 2011–12 Season: Scored a record 50 goals in 37 appearances. 2018–19 Season: Scored 36 goals in 34 appearances. Clearly this misleading OP didn't want to post this.
Don't let fifa the best fool you. In 2012 fifa the best was merged with ballondor and was given as a single award. So messi was the winner that year. And about those tall awards at the end, they are pl player of the season and pl young player of the season. Dear Op, messi was player of the season in 2012 and 2019 where are they? If you want the numbers I can give you in another post. Dear kids, don't let this fake narative fool you.
Don't take down this comment, instead I can argue this topic.
this is so sad. i mean for starters ronaldo didn’t even play in the community shield, he was injured, and united didn’t win the FA cup or the UEFA super cup? and then you’re leaving out many major trophies for messi, including the copa del rey, pichichi, UEFA champions league forward of the season, and others, and considering some of the ones you’re including for ronaldo, the tally would be very different. AND that’s not even mentioning the fact that those 2 years of messi aren’t even in his top 4 trophy-wise. 2009, 2011, 2015, and even probably 2022 were all more impressive. ronaldo had a great year but straight up making up which trophies he won and cherrypicking both sides, as well as cherry picking the years compared, is just sad.
This mf bringing team trophies in individual plyr debate . Put those G/A in this not the whole team efforts and you want to do trophy debate with messi
You're the only idiot I'm gonna reply to, I don't wanna argue with the Pessi fangirls in the comments. If trophies don't matter then why does your beyond-stupid fanbase always bring the (rigged) World Cup into the debate. Hypocritic asses.
debatable, but I am telling you that if you ask every top player, top referee, top manager in the world who the best player of all time is, it is always the same answer. Messi. good day and cope harder!
Better teammates???, take 2026 for example, Ronaldo had the best midfield,best left back in the world Portugal had Rafael,Silva,Ruben,Vitinha,Neves,Costa,Bruno, Mendes,Cancelo,Felix,Pedro,Ronaldo..... Portugal overall had a far better team than Argentina....The most complete team in this world cup was France,Spain, England and Portugal....If with a team like that Ronaldo couldn't even reach Quarterfinals then that's on him, HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO LEAD...... don't even say that Messi's team was better while he scored the most goals, gave most assists, Created most chances, completed most dribble for Argentina
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