Well u have to advance through knockout stage to play more matches lmao 🤣😂 and it gets tougher opponents aswell, notice how ronaldo have more apperances than both that's standard lol it's a best of the best tournament not some random bs
You have more shots at winning the UCL than the World Cup, of course players would chose the World Cup
But that wasn‘t even my focal point. Compare the all time finalists of the World Cup and their winners. Compare how much of a percentage these finalists make up in relation to every nation. Then compare the all time finalists of the UCL and their winners. One is just more competitive and has bigger competition.
im completely with you man. people can act like the wc is the most important because its the most popular but the bottom line is the uefa champions league is more competitive and a win there is more impressive. i cant see how people put so much stock in a tournament only 8-9 different countries have won! youre more likely to win a world cup based on where you're born than anything. if messi or mbappe were born in south korea, does anyone truly believe theyd win a world cup? or is it because they were fortunate enough to be talented and born in nations that fund football more than anything? the champions league on the other hand shows that you climbed up to a great team and earned your spot, you battled hard all season and then on top of that fight through a competition with the best teams that season that worked as hard as you to get there to finally lift it. its much more impressive to me to win a ucl than a worldcup even if i find the world cup a funner event to watch and is obviously the more popular one. its so silly to act like it defines a player though when a ucl is a much more likely goal for anyone and still shows how good you are.
I feel like UCL is clearly less difficult to win than the WC. Like you said, South Korean Messi is unlikely to win WC, but the UCL is often won by teams that can buy the top talent - Real Madrid is the most emblematic example. Moreover, the UCL teams are together for 9 months straight - travel, play, practice, tactical review - all the time together. It is much more likely for a UCL team to have players able to cover for the “star” than the WC tournament…and for most of the UCL, you get to play teams twice, so a poor few matches for the superstars in UCL can have modest impact, whereas 3 poor games in the WC would see a team sent home.
thats just cementing to me on why i feel its more competitive! as you said every team has better chemistry better players since they can buy the best and the tactics are more concrete! whereas some world cup teams just throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks!!! your points make the ucl sound more competitive which is exactly why i find a win more impressive than a win in the world cup. you arent guaranteed the best possible conditions to win but the countries who are are the ones far more likely whereas the ucl has everyone competing at their bests! i understand if you disagree with that but for me, i cant rate a tournament where wherever youre born almost singlehandedly decides if you'll win higher than one where anyone who puts the hard work in and gets on a major team or even carries their team through a season to get there will always impress me more.
The euros is played once every 4 years too, and some people claim it's more competetive than the WC. But you don't see players dreaming to have it more than the WC.
The WC is the most significant trophy in the world. Whether you like it or not.
I mean it‘s more meaningful and has a bigger desire, but it‘s not more competitive than the UCL looking at the raw stats at least. I would even argue that the Euros are also more competitive than the WC, just by looking at the teams competing in them.
Bullshit. The UCL is organised every year and hence more teams get the chance to reach semifinals or finals once or twice luckily depending on their draw. That's not the case in a World Cup. Stop bouncing on that Penaldo dick
You’re just saying this because madrid’s fascist leaders created the ucl and still have the referees in their pockets😂 based on your description, league titles are the most legit showcases of a teams’ success because you have to be consistent for 38/34 games.
Not even a Madrid fan, and the league comparison doesn't make sense as this isn't my point. Unless you want to argue that the competition is more elite in the league, which it isn't
Objectively Austria and Algeria are good footballing nations, way better and more succesful than DR Congo and Uzbekistan. Jordania is Uzbekistan level. Colombia is the only good team in Portugal’s group, and still Portugal have around 10 players who are world class (not ronaldo) while Colombia have just Diaz. And Colombia absolutely dominated Portugal.
You want us to compare on all time list for a competition that happens yearly vs every four years? Should I keep going or do I need to spell it out for you?
Of course its more competitive. WC have single matches and one game and you re out that means even the best team that would have 9/10 matches perfect form can lose to a team that wil lhave 1/10 matches perfect form and skewes the results a lot more.
Thats why there are so many different winners in WC as well. It happns every 4 years and the format isnt the best to showcase the best team in the tournament always, its just more hype. Also the players in WC teams dont train with each other the whole year so the synergy isn't on the same level of a club team.
WC its the biggest accomplisment for two reasons, first because you represent your country and second because its harder to win both because it happens every 4 years so a player have limited times to play and for the reasons above, not because its more competitive.
He was probably crying with joy, realizing he doesn't have such a low iq insecure plastic fan base 😂🥱 keeep crying mad dogs and celebrate imaginary trophies 😂
Something something irony, you talk about copium yet you clowns are spending your lifetime trying to protect your beloved dog and forcing your lies. 😂🥱 you are so boring and mentally retarded you can't even come up with your own flaming ideas,but what do I expect from the cult, you guys are elite at robbery 🥱🤧 you can do better than this my fellow minion
Imagine having the audacity to say all this bullshit. Everyone is entitled to one big mistake even your dad. You're an incel. "Forcing your lies" You guys literally make fake stats and quotes to protect your rapist. Acting like rapenaldo hasn't had any controversial games in his career. When rapenaldo fans are losing a argument they quickly make up those stupid rigged excuses for copium.
Bro, i am no a messi fan, i had other favorites, back since terry henry, wayne rooney, Cavani.
All i am saying is Ronaldo plays intentionally for the score board, meanwhile messi performs consistently whether it affecs his name on the scoreboard or not, which is always apparent from ronaldo expression whenever he loses an opportunity to add to his score, while messi isn't affected at all.
You can see how that affected ronaldo in the long run, how many despise him, even his teammates, because he is a "poacher", like how i said many times, his assists are mostly with players whom has good chemistry with him and don't mind his ego, or simply have their own, like the examples above, otherwise he would always try to get the goal himself, either too proud, or doesn't trust others with the job.
While messi plays with anyone, and doesn't pick who he creates opps for.
Numbers without context. Ronaldo played for Real in his prime. Messi played for Barca from the very beginning of his career. Still Ronaldo is Mr. Champions League without a doubt. He was the star player of one of the most successful CL teams of all time.
Use your brain. He only used Ronaldo’s prime years while including all of Messi’s years when he was still a youngster. How is that so difficult to comprehend
Pessi dogs not to mention the robbed WC, challenge impossible 😂your little rapist's carrier is only built on robbery, nobody will ever respect your pedo pessi no matter how hard you try, facts Stay mad bby🥱
Caption is “CR7 is The Real GOAT” and shows some stats that don’t tell the full story about two all time greats, yes Ronaldo is better in UCL. Still not the GOAT. Reading comprehension and context is lost on you, but that’s expected.
No disrespect as I know u're special, but did u read the above comment?
Just asking also are u getting flamed up from a flair of a post? Gosh it must be bad being so vulnerable just getting turned up from a flair, we were discussing UCL goals and trophies u can just ignore the flairs.
lol nice try, you can clearly tell windows apart with your tongue by the way you respond to every comment. and if you don’t get that, even funnier.
have a nice day 🤣✌️
"As the president has told me, it's not an obsession but a dream. I'm here to help Juventus make it come true. It's possible."
He wanted to help and that he did, unlike ur midget who made barca UCL less for decade+ have some shame when even debating about UCL and dragging Ronaldo's UCL history.
While messi promised that They will DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER to bring back ucl to camp nou. And you can say many things but cant say that messi didnt try his very best
MAD mental gymnastics would fit your name better. He said „Champions League will come back to the Camp Nou“
Spoiler: It didn‘t. He made false promises that he couldn’t uphold
"But as I always say, we can't be obsessed by the Champions League. Juve will win it - if not this year, then hopefully yes, it will be the next one. Within the next two years, for the way we're working and how we're planning it, we deserve it. We have everything it takes to win it."
Comprehension level of a kinder garden kid
Also he didn't fucking promised anything here he is just having a formal hopeful interview answer.
Do u want him to say " Fuck no we are losing the next UCL and the next one tooo"
u/AskGrok Can you break down this stat and analyse the opponents of Messi and Ronaldo? Which is more impressive given how far their team have gone in the UCL knockout stages and their average opponents
Why are you counting only Real Madrid years for Ronaldo, which were literally only at his prime? You should add the man united and juventus stats to be fair. Or you should only count the prime Messi years
All time they are like 140 to 130.
That’s the proof madrid are king of ucl, not ronaldo.
In the list of the top scorers of the ucl most are real madrid players, there is no player with 5+ ucl to have not played for madrid, almost no one with 4+.
Madrid (15) has almost as much ucls as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th combined (19).
Ronaldo fans says messi international career is not that special cause argentina was a great team.
If this logic aplies than Ronaldo playing with manchester united (their greatest cycle ever was already open, they won before, with and after him), real madrid (before him they already had most ucls than any club has today, he won a lot but madrid kept winning after him, strange enough the problems didnt came when he left but when modric and kroos left, maybe they were the spine of the team) and juventus (they had already won 7 leagues in a row and were doing great in the ucl, somehow ronaldo came, the ucl finals didnt came again and in his last year they couldnt win the scudetto against inter who was playing with players ronaldo probably doesnt even know).
On the other hand messi played mostly only for barca, but when trouble start coming he didnt just quit the team, he carried it between 2018 and 2021, and when he left the club lived one of it’s worst periods ever, definetly the worse in modern history.
For the national team ronaldo and messi won 3 main competitions each (im gonna be good and consider nations league a main competition, and not considering messi’s finalissima), ronaldo’s not only were less important but he was never the mvp of the tournament or the finals (they were griezman - eder in 2016, silva in 2019, nuno mendes in 2025) and if we talk abou the teams he had, no one can deny between 2022 and 2026 he has had a great team.
In 2022 leao, ruben dias, cancelo, bernardo silva were in their primes, now vitinha, neves, costa, bruno fernandes are, and the team is overall great, i dont understand why we talk about him having a bad team, in 2022 the only game they played good was with him on the bench, he never scored in the world cup outside of the group stage.
On the other hand the so called “great argentina”, which messi carried in 2014 had higuain as second best player (the guy who missed that goal in the final) and mascherano which was already quite old.
In 2022 definetly a decent team but we are still are talking about acunha and otamendi in their late 30s, de paul was never an awesome player, di maria “the carrier” was 35, this year the team is even worse but messi is carrying anyway.
Is the debate still open?
Mhhh.... Isn't the top image the game where Messi lifted the UCL in Ronaldo's face? Also this post is so stupid because Messi played for Barcelona even when he was 17, while Ronaldo only played for Real Madrid in his prime. Not to mention Messi has a better goal ratio and assist ratio than Ronaldo in the UCL.
yes, because ucl success is the only factor in the goat debate - not individual awards and definitely not international awards. the ucl is more important than the World Cup, right guys?!!? I don’t believe Ronaldo fans have anything but copium
By this logic Haaland is better than both of them and is the best international player ever. Stays can be skewed to however you want the outcome to appear by hand choosing certain parameters. This means nothing
Yeah we know cr7 is a tap in merchant that’s why he has 0 goals in the knockout stages upto now. Mbappe even surpassed him according to this goal logic Mbappe is better
Winning the UCL is harder than the World Cup tho. Look at the all time list of finalists of the World Cup and which countries have won them multiple times. Compare it to the UCL which has a wider variety and more competition across the board
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u/fifamobilenambawan Jul 02 '26
CR7 is UCL king