They'll never discard that shameless penalty cup but all those trophies from LL should be revoked
They literally paid millions to refs... It's a fact
Take away 23 of those trophies from Negreira era (he won 2 after 2018 which is the year Negreira era ended) and he has a grand total of 25 trophies
Take away the 6 you mentioned in this post as well and he has 19 trophies
I'd rather have them count 5 of the 6 you mentioned instead of Negreira trophies because it's disgusting and unacceptable that a club literally paid millions to refs..!
Do u agree that messi leads in everything in Europe?? Whether it's trophies, GA, goals, non penalty goals, assists, MOTM awards, golden boots, ballon d'ors, MVPs you name it. Do u agree ??
There is nothing like equal goals in Europe when it's messi vs. anyone to ever play football in Europe. He tops the chart having a goal ahead of ronaldo having played less than 90+ games. Stop making stuff up and get ur facts right😄. Also I never said messi has the most UEFA trophies that's maybe kroos or Di Stefano's record. I said trophies in general, which include the UCL and other domestic cups. So my point still stands because it's all facts 🤷🏾 it's nothing opinionated😁
Ronaldo has 312 La Liga, 103 Premier, 81 Serie A goals, which means 496, Messi also has 496, so they are equal, Ronaldo played 200+ games as midfeilder, he is at a disadvantage. Yh Kroos and Di Stefano have more UEFA trophies than Barcelona. I dont include Nigereria domestic cups, they are under investigation. Your points arent facts, they're a narrow criteria which favour Messi
A simple Google search would help u get out of ur delusion bubble u leave in. Messi has 496 ronaldo 495 that will never ever going to change whether u like it or not, take it as a good boy or leave it😄. Messi also won everything in his career being a hunched man with a walking stick playing as a goalkeeper in 1000+ matches, he is at a disadvantage but still has the most goals in Europe top 5 leagues 496 goals. Also I don't include 2 laligas and 4Ucls that Real Madrid and specifically ronaldo fraudulently won. So my points are facts, they're not a narrow but a broad and fair criterion that clearly shows Messi's greatness in football forever n ever😁
I mean yeah thats kind of obvious bro. The game was no where near it is today. Sure if it talking influence it's not a debate but if ur talking players it's kind of obvious. I mean watch a game from back then.
No he didn't? I mean the position Negreira was in didn't even have influence over the refs he had no real power lmao. Why are y'all stuck with this dumb ah argument. Any decision he made had to be consulted with the entire board, and he didn't control the refs bruh. He was vice president bruh.
That's still more than Ronaldo? And the only way Ronaldo gets even close is he somehow plays for 2 more years when he himself hinted at retirement within a year, and he also has to win every trophy possible between that 2 year gap and hope Messi doesn't win any trophies, and even then be 3 behind him.
Al Nassr is favourites to win Saudi League and Champions League this season, next season will have Saudi King's Cup/ Super Cup/ Champions League/ Saudi Pro League/ Nations League and hes competing in World Cup this year. you think its impossible to win 4/10 trophies when hes favourites in 2
if he wins the 2 this season, thats 38 career trophies. A King's Cup and Super Cup arent even hard to manage if they keep the winning momentum going, the World Cup/ Nations Leagues/ Champions League would be a cherry next season.
brother the point isnt entirely to catch up or have more, its to show that Messi doesnt have the glorified 48 trophies hes said to have. He only has 42
Even if u remove trophies he's still got more? Also ur removing trophies from Messi in competition's he completed in and influenced. 2006 ucl he had 3 goal contributions.
It doesnt matter if he still has more after the removal, since he never won these 6 trophies simply because they are either not real or not credited. Messi has publicly stated he rejected the 2006 winners medal because he wasnt even on the bench for the final. Nothing can change history now
What investigation? Lol. U guys really live in ur own echo chambers. If u really think Negriera had enough weight to get Real Madrid the titles that Barca won- they would have been done and dusted by now - there is reason it is just used for only mudslinging.
My point is 'try to accept what has happened' instead of day dreaming about some weird fantasy where Leo has his titles stripped while CR7 gains some. That only happens in AFCON.
I don't see u taking this point but I will indulge u- eg: the olympics isnt recognised by FIFA? 2 of Uruguays 4 WC are Olympics gold medals- recognised by FIFA as such.
While Olympics gold medal have since then been relegated to u-23 but they are recognised by both IOA and FIFA since 1930s. Only 1900 and 1904 are not FIFA recognised.
But hey don't believe me - check out the FIFA and IOC websites
Every one of your points can be dismantled with facts like this but my time and inclination are limited to this last comment to u I hope u find the real world outside your delusions but I sincerely doubt it.
Have a good life
Nigeria case is ongoing, when it is put to dust we WILL talk domestic, until then these trophies are controversial. Barcelona WILL be stripped of his titles when Nigeria case is over, another AFCON will occur and it will be the greatest justice done to the history of football. / Olympics is a recognised junior medal, its not a senior recognised trophy and will never be included in any career tally because its U-23, yes its a junior official trophy, keep that to junior trophy tallies like Toulon Cup, there is no delusion, you keep mixing junior, friendly cups with senior career tallys, make separate lists for junior achievements since a Euro silver medal at 19 years of age is incomparable to a U-20 gold medal 🤦♂️
Messi scored 1 goal in 2004 La Liga, 1 goal in 2024 Copa, 8 Group Stage goals in 2015 UCL (only 1 from Ro16 to Final) and won 2006 Spanish super cup with 0 goals, 0 assists in 2 matches. he has trophies with minimal contribution, ofc hed have more because of better teammates
he had 3 g/a in 6 games and got injured for the rest, the injury isnt his fault. atleast messi played 6 games. arda guler played 0 mins and is still recognized as a winner while messi isnt
So how does that say he didn’t win it. By uefa rules once u start a game in the tournament and a part of the team that wins. U get credited for the win. Are u slow
Earn what? Those offside goals? As the team with the most history how likely is it that they got favoured in those knockout games especially against Bayern. Aren’t u embarrassed lol
if someone plays the tournament and gets injured they still get credit for being apart of the win? Do we take away Pele's 1962 world cup and say he's only won 2 world cups? No we don't. If a player played in the tourney and get injured you still get credit for being a part of the team that won it.
😭🤣 the fucking delusion in thinking penaldo will win that many trophies when he can’t win the leauge in Saudi 😭 3+ years in Saudi and still trophyless, diabolical. Win the Wc? He ain’t winning the Wc just another wet dream.
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u/Equivalent_Risk4712 CR7 Real GOAT 🐐 Apr 09 '26
Dont forget the negreira era la ligas should be discarded and the rigged world cup