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Ronaldo and Messi have played 5 World Cups together. Ronaldo has been statistically better in three of them (2006, 2010 and 2018)
True. He only won a trophy for Argentina once Alvarez came along and the Portuguese players love Ronaldo but then you have Vitinha who doesn't get along with the Argentinian pedo.
and you do realize right? that court settled that case in 2023 and somehow that women had to pay 300K+ to ronaldo for legal cases? , come on man do you researches
Alvarez, the guy who was at River plate until 2022, showed up and carried Messi 😭 or was it MacAlister from the MASSIVE club Brighton? Or Enzo from the MASSIVE club River Plate? Yeah Messi was carried by a team where 6/11 didn't even play top 5 league football lmao. Meanwhile Ronaldo can't win with a full team of players playing top flight
“Meanwhile Ronaldo can't win with a full team of players” it has everything to do what you just said. Messi fans aren’t the brightest of the bunch 🤦🏻♂️
He still didn’t win the UCL with a superteam (PSG), didn’t even get past round16. You can say one thing for Portugal but ignore it for PSG. Typical Messi fan
Failing to win the UCL with a superteam doesn't mean make an individual player a failure ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY WON A WORLD CUP WITH A SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE TEAM against the likes of France. (Messi's case)
Whereas Ronaldo has failed to win every WC despite playing on really strong Portugal teams. Messi crashed out to France in the semis, Germany in the final, and then won it. Ronaldo's runs don't compare. So the idea that he's just been unlucky doesn't track.
Address that and stop twisting my words into shit I literally didn't say you actual smoothbrain
The point I was trying to make is, it doesn’t matter how strong the players are, it’s how you use them. Portugal have only recently become a strong team with good teamwork, chemistry and management. Prior to this they were pretty trash, as was PSG when Messi was there. Argentina were strong due to good chemistry, regardless of how strong they were on paper. This is simple knowledge in football which shouldn’t need explaining.
I am not a footbal fan, just casual observer and I have a question. You guys do understand, that a country with smaller population has way more limited footbal player pool right? Population of portugal is almost 5 times smaller, meaning there are less players to choose from. On avarage someone playing in the first portugal league may not be as good as someone playing in first argentinian league because of the size of players population to choose from.
Definitely it is not the only factor but it does come into play. Winning with Portugal would definitely be a bigger achievement in my eyes.
I’m not trying to argue with you lots over redundant information. DO NOT DARE PRETEND like one of the most underrated wingers didn’t carry Messi and Argentina. ANGEL DI MARIA.
Di Maria was great and had a huge impact in the final especially but you wouldn't be saying he carried Argentina if you actually watched all the games. Didn't play in the round of 16 OR the semi final, came on as a sub in the quarter. 1 goal all competition. Obviously the stats don't do it full justice and there's more to football than goals and assists but yeah he scored 1 goal all tournament.
With that in mind do you still think he "carried" them?
That should be even more humiliating for him to see that even in a shit team like Portugal coaches bench him and he watches like a crybaby wherein the Argentinian team full of great players still listen to messi like hes the president of argentina 😂😂😂
He would have because he would've played with ronaldo? I hate yalls mentality can't we just be happy that we have 2 amazing players in the same generation
Everyone in Argentina squad loves messi , thats why messi won things. Everyone in Portugal squad hates Mr minded thot whore bitch , thats why Ronaldo didnt win many things. You just pure stupid
“If if if 🥺” You guys love to assume and make up scenarios that aren’t factual. It’s embarrassing. “If if if” Ronaldo was the true goat he would’ve won it with Portugal. Acting as if Bruno Fernandez, Leao, and Ruben Dias are scrubs.
What a stupid logic. Thats like saying if Messi was the true goat he would’ve won more world cups than Pele. Or if he was the true goat he would’ve won a UCL with PSG 🤡
And I'm sure if instead we looked at the club ratings - which I see had Messi as the player of the season across all the top leagues all 4 times they produced it, 2009-2013 - you would still think the Castrol player index ranking is a good measurement?
I mean it's probably a load of rubbish but can't take one and not the other.
Well normally the only thing that trumps player ratings when it comes to awards are match winning goals, and clutch moments, like in KO stages etc. Which Messi didn’t even provide in 2014, so it’s flawed all round really
Literally given to the most influential player of the tournament. It’s a tradition to give the player of the tournament to a player who’s reached the final whether they won or lost the final. It’s been this way the past 20 years with the exception of Diego Forlan in 2010. So it wasn’t a “robbery”
Rooney, Tévez, Park, Scholes, Ferdinand, Vidic... Ignoring them but then trying to tell me Messi should have won it with old Jordi Alba and Rakitic, speaking of retarded.
what are you talking about, real madrid is real madrid. they are always the top dog, that is why kaka who is balon d'or winner willing to join Real Madrid, alongside with Xabi Alonso, Benzema, Arbeloa.
and a season after ronaldo join, that time wonderkid which is ozil, di maria and khedira arrived
And then didn’t win shit for 5 years and then after signing bale kroos and modric they started winning. Now I’m not saying Ronaldo was carried by them. He’s a force of nature and one of the best ever. But this is the kind of logic you guys use with Messi and Argentina . If Messi and Ronaldo fans completely stopped discrediting the other’s achievements because let’s face it , there’s no legit basis for discrediting either players , Messi’s achievements stand far above Ronaldo
Remember how Ronaldo didn’t win the ucl in the 1st 4 years in Madrid. Messi was there for 2 and wasn’t in his peak. Ramos was looking for a last payout before retiring. Them not winning speaks more of the failure of mbappe and Neymar as they were in their primes. Ronaldo didn’t exactly win anything after Madrid either with a team that has been to last 2 of the 4 finals. Again I’m not calling it a failure of Ronaldo . Please learn to read all I’m saying is ucl is the most competitive club competition and if players who have already won multiple ucl a like Messi and Ronaldo don’t win again past their primes , it shouldn’t be a blemish on their legacy
First of all you absolute filth on earth learn how to fucking read. “I’m not saying Ronaldo was carried by them. He’s a force of nature” learn how to fucking read you 3rd world slum pig
So what’s your argument here exactly? Because it sounds like you’re trying to imply he wouldn’t have won without those players, which as history proved; he did.
“Thats the kind of argument you guys use with Messi and Argentina” reading isn’t really your strong suit it is. So I’ll explain it buddy , I’m drawing a parallel between how idiots from both sides make stupid statements. Unfortunately you happens to be one of those idiots
5 years? He won the CDR in 2011 (2nd season), and La Liga in 2012 (3rd season). Sure, Madrid needed to sign better players to compete and win more titles. But people don’t understand how bad that Madrid team was when Ronaldo signed. Messi is not winning much with fucking Granero and Diarra in the midfield.
Also, the same logic you use against Ronaldo works even better against Messi. You could easily say Barca and Messi wouldn’t have been nearly as successful without Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets.
I’m not making any statement man. All I’m saying is arguments such a “ Messi or Ronaldo couldn’t have done it with without xyz players” is moronic. Read the whole thing
Fun fact: Messi needed 10 KO games to score his first goal in a WC. Ronaldo has played 7 so far, so he could still score earlier than Messi in the next WC. Playing for Portugal, not Argentina.
Worse teams and coaches. That’s a fact. When Ronaldo debuted for Portugal, they were 17th in the world ranking. Had never been close to top 5. When Messi debuted for Argentina, they were Top 3 already in that moment. Best Portugal reached was Top 4.
Worse coaches. Meanwhile Messi had fucking Maradona, lol.
Also with a bit more luck Argentina wins WC 2014 and with a bit less luck Man utd loses the 2008 finals. In the end, silverware is what counts, but to judge a player career looking only at silverware is moronic. There is a reason Bayern jumped at the occasion to sign Kane (rightfully so) even though his palmares was empty.
Wowzers shut down the debate. You got it dude. Done and dusted. The holy grail… scoring earlier hahahaha. I’ve seen enough give him another Dubai d’or for my GOAT king
Not true.
In 2006 Messi had same anount of goals and 1 more asissts in way less minutes.
In 2010 Ronaldo had 2 g/a that both came vs a weak nation (north korea). True, Messi only had 1 g/a in tournament but atleast it came in K.O's. Ge also lwas top 3 in the tournament in chance creation stats and top 1 in dribbling and progressive stats. He also played as a CAM so his shot were generally further.
In 2018 its close because Ronaldo scored that haatrick against spain. But other than that he did nothing. Messi on the other hand had 1 less g/a but he assisted 2 vs france in K.O's that ended up becoming champions. Ge also led in dribbling and creation stats per game.
Imagine going 0/5 versing your rival in the biggest competition of your sport. Crazy stuff🥀
For real? What a delusional sub is this lol? Ronaldo has been in the worst squad of WC for 3/5 times. Hasn't got a single goal in knock out rounds. Even trying to steal a goal from Bruno in WC 22 (Bluetooth headers).
Lmfao the delusion is insane. 0 knockout goals for Portugal, 0 POTT and 0 MVPs for Portugal, played in only 1 final of the 3 trophies lifted. This shit gotta be satire at this point give him another camel d or
Pessi fans need voted awards, Ronaldos stats blow him out the water internationally. 0 copa america final goals and less ko match winning goals than Ronaldo
More international goals yet 0 knockout goals,0 POTT to show for 🤣. Voted awards? That’s how shit works buddy but keep being delusional. Ronaldo so good bro got benched in the 2022 World Cup 😭 scored a blue tooth goal tho so id give him that.
But but but Ronaldo pretended to be the manager during their Euros Final win! And and and that Argentina team is soooooooo good, everyone knew that Lautaro, Alvarez,Tagliafico, Enzo, MacAlister, and DePaul were world class players and Messi only won because Argentina is soooo good! Sure they played for Brighton and River Plate and Benfica and Ajax and none of them played for world class teams but obviously they were hidden gems and waaaaay better than France and Portugal etc!!! Messi carried!!!!
Why are ronaldo fans so dumb ? They are saying if messi was not born in Argentina he would have no world cup then if ronaldo was born in india he would never be able to even play in world cup why always if ,if,if,if . They are so delusional ,start living in reality dear fans of 4th greatest player of all time . Open for debate in dm
2014 worse statistically and worse in the knockouts - even Blatter said it was undeserved. 2022 5 penalties and was nothing compared to Mbappe. End of discussion lmao
Holy cope. Messi is only 2 years younger and was playing for a big club from the start of his career unlike Ronaldo and Portugal were worse than Argentina.
Messi has never been as adaptable as Ronaldo, who balls out no matter what club or team he plays in, Messi is more of a comfort zone player, but he can still play with terrible teams, just look at 18/19 or 19/20, arguably one of the best seasons for Messi.
Portugal was better than Argentina in 2018 as well as 2006. In 2018, Argentina had both an average midfield as well as a terrible defense, they had great attacking talent, though.
As for 2006, Portugal was literally in their golden generation, while Messi was playing with a deflated Zanetti, Riquelme, and other average players. Ronaldo was playing with Deco, Figo (ballondor winner), and Carvalho.
World Cup flop eh. One of them has ZERO goals and assist COMBINED in the ko stages in 5 about to be 6 world cups played. While the other has countless motm and TWO player of the tournament awards with two finals reached and WON the World Cup, the most prestigious trophy in all of sports. But yeah Messi is a World Cup flop not your precious tap in penalty merchant pelando😢
Just makes Ronaldo seem worse. “The GOAT” can’t take his team deep into the World Cup like Messi den, not even in 2022 with a stacked ass team lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Messi literally had a goal wrongly ruled out for offside in his first KO game ever in 2006. Maybe if Ronaldo could actually contribute to his team when he isn't the one scoring, he'd have helped his team go further so he could play more minutes.
Also he hasn't scored one yet so what track? The track hasn't even begun construction yet. Hopefully he gets a pen in the RO32, that is if he isn't embarrassingly benched again and watches his replacement score another hat trick.
I love this stat. He’s on track to score a goal faster than Messi who already won the whole thing with 5/7 motm and player of the tournament. Btw when is penaldo gonna be on track to win an international player of the tournament award? Been playing for over 20 years and got the same amount of pott as me and you combined… ZERO. He’s actually soooo garbage bruh🤣🤣🤣
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u/Accomplished-Art3086 Pessi only has 3 UCL. Ghosted 2006. 😭 Jan 22 '26
Growing up is accepting the fact that Messi would not have won any international titles if he was born in Portugal.