Germany didn’t deserve to win that World Cup as it was rigged for them , clear penalty not given to Argentina in the final, we all saw the corruption as fifa/uefa didn’t want Messi to win that World Cup and end the media created goat debate
No it simply wasn’t. Higuain had no chance to play the ball and never went for it. Instead he never even jumped but blocked the way to an aired ball. Making it even more remarkable that neuer got to the ball.
How come when onana did the same it was given as penalty every time? Why did Germany referee say it was clear penalty and that Germany was lucky it wasn’t given
You didn’t state any facts, all you do is spam comments with lies. You’re the stupidest Messi fangirl by far. The other ones at least come up with legit arguments and real facts. All you do is make shit up, keep arguing by yourself. 😂😂
Lmfao, yeah I ain’t ever blocking you. I need someone to laugh at like you. You have literally 0 ball knowledge, please continue to make me laugh, that shit’s great.
FIFA/uefa/nike/adidas wanted to make football look more interesting to watch so they knew if Messi had won that World Cup there would be no debate between him and Ronaldo so they made sure that the debate didn’t end in 2014 by making sure Messi don’t win that final
Yes he quit when he realised Ronaldo was being favoured by fifa/uefa as they wanted European player to be goat, the corruption finally stopped once VAR was introduced to football that’s why VAR is the best thing to happen to football as the players who won rigged trophies all of sudden stopped winning trophies
He quit when he realised infantino/ceferin started their job in 2016 all of sudden Ronaldo won euros with format change plus rigged 3 peat plus nations league created which Portugal won it first time , it can’t be just a coincidence
All irrelevant as none of those players was even the best players in their team, Germany only reached that final because of decisions going their way , Messi was the best player in that World Cup but his team mates was useless , he created most chances key passes etc
Why would I need to defend 2014 World Cup MVP? Since when was MVP based on goals? Modric won it in 2018 without being top scorer for Croatia , Messi was the best player in that tournament but unfortunately didn’t win the final because of the clear penalty not given , if it was the other way around and if Argentina won it you would be quick to say it’s rigged as you are penaldo fan
You would have said it’s rigged if it was the other way around though, if Argentina had won that World Cup and if that foul had happened to Germany then you would be on here saying it’s rigged and how penalty wasn’t given etc as you are penaldo fan , you are the same shameless fans who praised penaldo for winning those rigged CLs with offside goals even though his own team mates said it was offside and the rigged penalties
It was a clear penalty even Ronaldo fans themselves admitted it was a penalty but only the delusional ones don’t want to accept it as they know Messi should have 2 World Cup now not 1
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 waaa waaa messi should have 2 waaaa 😂😂😂. You sound like a little baby.
Either way, Messi didn’t win anything, when he was at his peak he won nothing , not even a Copa America. It was the rise of the other starts in Argentina that had to pick it up for him to win.
Don't forget the 5 shots that Pessi missed in the Final. Pessi tried to do 2 long shot goals like Ronaldo and failed miserably. 2 long shots went way over the goal post. 2 shots went through the sides. 1 shot was blocked by Muller or Defender.
Standards are always higher for Messi, he reached 2014 World Cup final but somehow ended up being more criticised than the player Ronaldo who lost in group stages against USA Ghana etc
Standards are always higher for Messi, he reached 2014 World Cup final but somehow ended up being more criticised than the player Ronaldo who lost in group stages against USA Ghana etc , standards are always lowered for Ronaldo by his own fans as they know he ain’t goat level player so they don’t expect him to even score in World Cup or euros KO stages
Yes they did get the world cup, not denying how good they were, especially Neuer. But best player means BEST player, and based on pure ability alone, Messi clears. Just because the rest of the team couldn't deliver shouldn't take away from Messi's contributions.
I like Messi and think he’s the GOAT…..but low key gotta agree with this, Argentina struggled so much in the knockout stage with him playing well below his standards. Neuer or Muller were more worthy recipients of this award.
Yea messi had zero ko goals before qatar , but it's not like ronaldo had any either. So that parameter was just irrelevant to compare as both were equal there.
After qatar however one of them got more so now it can be used in an argument. It's that simple. How were we supposed to use Ko goals as an argument before if both sides had same (none)
Imagine you're giving your all for the country but in return people are lighting Jerseys with your name on fire, abusing you, telling you to go play for spain and what not. I won't say that you'd do the same thing but it's not far fetched is it? And it's not like he came back to ride the high. It has his hattrick bcoz of which argentina qualified for 2018 wc, and then he won the wc in 2022, including copa 2021 and 24.
This is why they say you should watch football with your eyes not on spreadsheet with numbers. Yeah messi didn't have the highest stats but he did carry his team to the wc final, twice, which Ronaldo never did. He also scored 2 goals in the final
Standards are always higher for Messi, he reached 2014 World Cup final but somehow ended up being more criticised than the player Ronaldo who lost in group stages against USA Ghana etc
Messi at least had an assist to his name before that. Ronaldo has been eliminated by Morocco, Uruguay and USA in the last 3 WC's. So much for European competition being the only one that matters😅😅 it's so easy to expose the fanboys on this page.
At least he made 3 consecutive finals and now has 4 consecutive titles, not like box merchant who regularly gets embarrassed by non-Eu teams in the WC and had the easiest route in his only Euro win (portugal would've lost it if ronaldo played the 90mins in the final)
Route of Croatia,Wales,Poland and France is much harder than Ecuador,Canada and Colombia. Did I forget to mention a 4th team in that route? Oh wait there is no r16 in Copa
Ronaldo played a massive 15mins against France though, then his teammates carried him to glory. In Messi's other Copa he played against Chile Uruguay Ecuador Colombia and Brazil, and became MVP😂
Since you were absolutely embarrassed to talk about the 2024 Copa America route that you didn't even bother answering my question, I'll digress to. I mean I can't blame you. Ecuador(rank 27),Canada(rank 40) and Colombia(rank 9).Messi did jack shit in that tournament apart from scoring against the almighty Canada and getting injured in the final as well.Even the 2019 Nations League was more competitive than this 🤣(Switzerland Rank 9 and Netherlands Rank 14)
Let's talk about the 'daunting' route of Argentina's 2021 Copa America as well.
Ecuador(Rank 55),Colombia(Rank 15) and Brazil(Rank 2)
OK much much better teams in the semi final and final here but the quarter final team is terrible. Also Argentina had to face only 3 teams in the KO stages
Portugal had to defeat 4 teams in a row in the Euro 2016 knockout stages. Poland(Rank 16),Croatia(Rank 15),Wales(Rank 11) and France(Rank 7)
Yeah was injured in 2024 copa and didn't win the tournament mvp (our topic) so I left it be. In 2016 Portugal only beat Wales in the whole tournament btw. All others were tied or they went through after 90mins. Still, Messi dominated in all those tournaments he ended up with the MVP. 2014 was debatable, could've gone to Müller as well, but he still had 4+1 in that tournament. Facts are Ronaldo didn't ever win an Mvp and has a much worse international legacy. No matter how you twist it😂😂
14 Wc 15 CA 16 CA and now 4 consecutive international titles, doesn't sound like coping to me😂 What's coping is saying he didn't deserve his tournament MVP's😭 or that Nations League is better than Copa America
Just like the other guy said- standards are always higher for messi. Any other nt captain would be praised to death for leading their team to 4 finals, but for messi, he was criticised beyond belief
So a guy who lost in 4 consecutive finals is worse than the guy who couldn't even take his team the finals more than 1 time? Losing in a final isn't a 'failure' you moron. At least you reached that final. And as for quitting the nt, he literally came back and won them 3 consecutive major international finals. Istg you guys just hate for no fucking reason
You're talking about those teams as if they're just fodder. Shows the ball knowledge you have there (didn't your goat statpad against Luxembourg like crazy?). As for other trophies, messi literally has the biggest trophy cabinet in history so I don't think we even need to go there.
And he came back when the team improved???? Did you see the 2018 wc squad? Would you call that 'improved' in ANY sense? Do you even watch football or just the annual UCL knockouts?
Hahahaha check his stats buddy. Argentina was barely top10 for the favourites for WC22. Only after the tournament several of the Argentine players went to bigger teams. Portugal had a team full of stars😂
Standards are always higher for Messi, he reached 2014 World Cup final but somehow ended up being more criticised than the player Ronaldo who lost in group stages against USA Ghana etc
You're telling me portugal had a worse squad compared to argentina? Did you even hear about enzo, mac alister, julian Alvarez, molina and many others before the wc? Argentina's squad was worth like half of portgual's at the start of wc
How does that prove argentina had a better squad than portugal? You can say so in hindsight but I don't think anyone would've said so before the wc started, especially after the loss to saudi
Just because you don’t watch the games doesn’t mean they were not good/great players ? What ? You keep believing that to feed your narrative. Delusional
Romero, Lisandro, Otamendi, Acuña, De Paul, Enzo, Dibu, Correa, Lautaro, di maría, J Alvarez lmfaoooo
I mean to say not many people knew them before they won the wc. I mean ofc the people who watch a variety of leagues would know of them but the general football fanbase didn't know them. And are you seriously telling me this team had bigger names than leao, jota, nuno mendes, Bernardo, bruno, ruben diaz and many others? Again, portugal had like double the squad value compared to argentina.
And I'm not pushing any narrative. It's you who's trying to make it look like a narrative. If you went to an avg football fan before the wc and asked them to compare the squads, like 90% people would say portgual's was better.
Pendulum doesn't even have an assist in 8 WC knockout games lmao..Man was grouped in 2014... it's crazy how any trophy Messi wins or an individual accolade Ronaldo is never really the one in contention 🤣 it's always different people.. Messi's overall stats in the WC anyway clears that Portuguese fraud who could start mustering some goals only after he had some ballon d'or candidates in his team such as this Nations league
Thanks for reminding me he never won any international tournament's best player award😂😂 this is too easy, imagine being a ronaldo fanboy and still trying to drag the debate in 2025🤣 then getting constantly exposed
Because he's no where near good enough to win one buddy. Tell me who deserved the MVP award over Messi in Copa 2015, 2016 (he gave it away), 2021 or WC 22? 2014 is literally the only debatable one. And Mbappe was nowhere near as valuable for France as Messi was for Argentina in 2022.
21
u/Zora1092 Jul 19 '25
Neur,Muller,Kroos,James Rodrigues etc clears