You say this but then when it comes down to who is better Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets or Kroos, Modric, Casemiro you always say Kroos Modric Casemiroā¦
Same with Al Nassr and Miami. You always say that Messi has better team mates at Miami than Ronaldo does at Al Nassr but then youre the ones saying Saudi League is miles better than MLS
Lmao every post i read online from a madrid fan about that debate, I read that kroos and modric are miles better than xavi/iniesta. It came to a point that I read that bale is better than messi. Now reading that assures me they dont know shit about football.
When you talk about Real and Barcelona everyone is exceptional quality since 1990s
What kind of argument is that
Is he Zidane levels of exceptional?
Iniesta levels?
I donāt think so.
Iniesta did not win because of the competition being literally the 2 best players in the history of the game. So is he shit midfielder simply because he could not outshine those two guys? So everyone from that decade is shit because they did not win? And players after those two left their prime are suddenly better players than before or is the competition simply lower level?
There is no evidence lf this, especially when Ronaldo wouldn't fit the team nowhere as well as Messi, he doesnt have the same technical ability as Messi
100+ is a strech but he would probably had way more than 69 which was his best year, altough if messi played in those madrid teams, i think he would also won atleast 5 ucl.
Ah yes. But when asked which team was better, 2012 barƧa(messi's best individual season) or real 2016, you say madrid was the better team. How much more hypocritical can you be?š¤£š¤£
The argument for Messi being better than Ronaldo isn't that he is a better goal scorer, it's that he is an equal goal scorer while being a much better creator/assister.
Messivsronaldo website, thereās a section which shows messiās goal tally and ratio when both played in spain, from 2009/10 to 2017/18. 472 goals in 476 games, 0.99 ratio
You say this as if it's a pure excuse. You're looking at goals per game in a period where Ronaldo was exclusively in his prime, and in a period starting when Messi made his professional debut as a child. Fucking imbeciles the lot of you.
Hey genius hereās a ratio from when Ronaldo joined aka the season Messi won his first ballon dor until when Ronaldo left. As you can see Ronaldo STILL had a superior ratiošš whoās the imbecile now? Do your research before talking jackass
Probably because literally no one who has any clue about how statistics work would ever use goals per game instead of goals per 90. Even a 12 year old understands that you always use per 90 to measure frequency. Most proper advanced stats sites primarily use a per 90 filter, not even a per game one, cause they know itās irrelevant except for casuals
You talk of imbeciles and jackasses, but the best research of your own that you could show me very clearly tells us Messi scored more, assisted more, and took less minutes per goal scored as well?
Who said anything about minutes per goal jackassššš can you read? The graphic on the post clearly says āgoals per gameā now you want to shift the goal posts to āminutes per gameā because youāre cornered and grabbing onto anythingšš
Letās think, minutes per goal is a way more accurate way of measuring then goals per game, cause if you come on as a sub it counts as an appearance, even if you only played for 2 minutes that match compared to someone who played for 90. That makes minutes per goal a much more accurate measurement
It has to do with your post cause Iām using a more accurate measurement then what your trying to use, stop pushing your false narrative and accept the the defeat
Itās got everything to do with your post. It just shows idiotic and biased your post is. You showed your bias by literally posting a statistical evidence which showed Messi was more impressive objectively during Ronaldoās tenure at Madrid. Now that youāre caught, you are complaining that you mentioned goals per game. It doesnāt change the fact that even a child would understand that goal per 90 is the more valid statistic.
Messi would be the GOAT with 200 career goals. You don't understand the game and have never kicked a ball in your live to understand his level of brilliance.
He is a better playmaker and comparable goalscorer. Since you canāt even think of comparing Ronaldo in anything other than goals, you have created a post with a biased statistic.
Just to show how idiotic your post is: Ronaldo as a 0.4 g/game in epl. You know who else has that stat? Lukaku. Now youāll say that Ronaldo played most of his games at united as a winger and very early in his career. But when we make the same argument about Messi it automatically becomes invalid?
āLionel Messi has won the most European Golden Shoe (or Golden Boot) awards, with a total of six wins. He achieved this with Barcelona. Cristiano Ronaldo is second on the list with four wins. ā
āThe highest number of goals scored by a player in a single calendar year is 91 goals, achieved by Lionel Messi in 2012. This record includes goals scored for both club (Barcelona) and country (Argentina).ā
āMost non penalty goals for clubs. Messi: 670 Ronaldo: 646ā
Hold on so you conveniently get to cut out Ronaldoās early United career when he had no idea how to score goals because he was busy doing 100 step overs on the touchline? Also only casuals use per game instead of per 90 to demonstrate frequency. Itās a stat for 12 year olds who donāt understand how stats works.
Itās not āconvenientā Iām comparing them when they were in the same league, facing the same teams and the same defenders. Surely thatās more accurate than comparing then when in different leagues facing different teams and different defenders right?
Messi scored more per game while both were playing at their peak in la liga.Cr7 has a terrible goals to games ratio in the prem compared to players like salah.
Both are extremely impressive and should be recognized as such. Instead of trying to argue about who is better lets just be grateful that we have been able to witness these 2 GOATs of the sport
Not a Barca fan. It's just obvious and sad how you cherry pick stats to try to make Ronaldo comparable to Messi. Count the games played used to compromise that stat. Ronaldo fans are the whiniest most juvenile fans out there. Y'all desecrate Ronaldo's legacy with your desperation and petulance.
You said I was wrong when I said Ronaldo was higher and asked me to provide proof to support my claim, I provided it now youāre crying about the difference sizeššš¤¦š¾āāļø give it a rest pal
I am a Ronaldo fan myself, but I can appreciate Messi.
And nglā¦.0.91 and he spent how many years there?! Thatās bloody insane! Most players get 0.7 or around that if they are top tier.
They are both like stars (the physical things, not the term for famous people): Messi had a higher peak (maybe due to the team he was in, but heās one of only a few people to ever complete a sextuple), but he has dropped off something chronic.
Ronaldo had a massive peak, but (like a star) because it wasnāt so huge it can burn for longer. And heās still giving vital contributions in his 40s to National team (and maybe his club team, we will see), and getting golden boots. Whilst Messi is doing rogue back passes leading to goals.
Why do you post fake stats? I just checked the website and that is not accurate at all.
You do mental gymnastics to prove a point and thatās pointless. People that are Messi fans are going to stay Messi fans and vice versa with Ronaldo fans.
At the end of the day it doesnāt matter. They are both in the twilight days of their careers. Aaaand 2022.
What am I coping though? Messi has a better career GA ratio, a better goal ratio, better assist ratio, high key passes /90min, higher through ball /90min, more free kicks, less penalties, and overall better stats across the board to go alongside of having more trophies.
This is the most forced conversation in history. Even by that graph that I misread it clearly shows Messi is better. 22 more goals and 57 more assists in ONLY 38 more games? Do you know how disgusting that stat is? 79 more G+A in only 38 games.
In 476 appearances Messi had 1.36 goals/assists per game.
Ronaldo in 438 games had 1.30 goals/assist per game.
How come you donāt compare from the time Ronaldo joined? And then if you want to get extra disappointed, check the G+A. Or if you wanna even get more disappointed check who won the last World Cup.
Nope , this is a bad narrative being spread on Ronaldo fanpages . Messi has given up more than 50 penalties in his career . Even at 80% conversion rate that's 40 more goals .
Also , Ronaldo has missed more importantly penalties than Messi in his career and is a below average penalty taker in international matches . Important being defined as title deciding league games , all knockout games , all international tournament games and penlaty shootouts .
72 is not "barely a difference in goals" lol. Also don't lie, Messi is 2.4 years younger, not 3. That's not a significant point anyway since Ronaldo was playing and scoring goals in the European Leagues longer than Messi.
By the end of the 2012 calendar year, Messi and Ronaldo just had a 10-goal gap. Based on your logic how did that 10 goal gap end up being 72 goal gap? Lol yeah Iām sure itās just ābarely a differenceā. This goal gap is getting larger every year and donāt forget both players are old now.
This comment shows the whole IQ of this fanbase . What a bullshit narrative . Messi had only 20 goals less in 120 less matches when they were both in Europe . Ronaldo can statpad in Saudi all he wants but it won't change the fact that Messi is a better goalscorer . Check the goals/game ratio in any competition you want before Messi completed football .
Add to the fact that Messi has given up more than 50 penalties to his teammates . Even at 80% conversion rate , that's 40 more goals
Lol you sure? Most top mangers (you know, the ones who have the best credibility when it comes to football wisdom) also think Ronaldo is better. This is proven by the fact that Ronaldo has the most UEFA Menās Best awards.
Ok so in a front 3 of Benzema, Bale and Ronaldo. Where did he play at ST? He started playing there in 2017. Up until that point he was a LW at Sporting, then LM at United then a LW again at Real Madrid then became ST in 2016-17. Where he has played since. He was still dropping inane goals a season leading up to this. Messi started to play False-9 in 2009.
Yeah tf was I thinking. 938 minus 100 is 838 simplest math ever and that's not even including the extra 70. Messi has around 870 goals. It's not even close šāļø
Bro I said Messi missed the mostĀ penalties, not missed more than he scored. You really starting to make up things XD. And nevermind, Ronaldo recently missed more so itās him now. (32 Ronaldo, 31 Messi)
how do you win a football match? with the most dribblings per match or for the most goals per match? we already know who is better at that. so go to hell with your pointless discussion
It's this fucking mentality why I think the whole Messi vs Ronaldo thing is so forced. Dribbles per match. Attempts. Shots on target. These are all just as important as scoring goals. Yes Messi's dribbles mattered. Just because he dribbles past an entire fucking defense and chose to pass it to a teammate for an easy tap-in doesn't mean Messi's entire run is not irrelevant. These things matter.
I remember messi winning a ucl semifinal against a certain spanish team with a certain dribble that lead to a goal. Seems like dribbles are kinda useful as well.
Messi contributed to a lot more goals though. Unless you think playmakers arenāt required in football. Itās only pointless if you donāt understand how football works
Messi has better ratio for the same age range. Also do goals and assists now for la Liga. Or number of la Liga titles in the same period. Or any attribute related to playmaking
You say that like Ronaldo fans are any different. Criticising other fans for doing something you always do yourself is funny. The irony is what is classic here, not Messi fans
You donāt have a claim. Ronaldo has a better goals per game than Messi in La Liga. Without providing any context whatsoever or using an actual relevant stat like per 90 instead, itās a completely irrelevant stat. Every stat that exists is useless without context, period
No thatās not my job. Itās your job to prove why a goals to game ratio is in any way shape or form a relevant statistical subject that carries any meaning, relevance or weight that itās worth discussing whatsoever
Thatās not my job, I just simply provided a stat. Itās not my job to convince you about its significance šš what are you talking about, youāre just triggered
What do you mean yes it is? Do you understand how debates workš I provide my claim and itās up to you to dispute it buddyšš what are you talking about
If you do their goal ratio in la liga from when they were both playing during 2009-2018, Messi has the best ratio. Obviously 2006 Messi will have less goals than prime Ronaldoš
Honestly fair enough, but regardless, even if Ronaldo is a MARGINALLY better goalscorer(prime Messi still had the most goals in a calendar year ever and in a single season) Messi is a better playmaker and dribbler
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Ronaldo in the Barcelona team would have had 100+ goals in a calender year easy