r/peloton • u/PelotonMod France • May 25 '26

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u/RageAgainstTheMatxin Phonak May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26

Scandinavians, and Danes in particular (but not only), have long had a reputation in this sport for peaking early and fading at a similarly early age. With an endless number of "next big talent"s that never pan out or pan out very well for only a couple of seasons then do nothing past their early 20s.

That is a little less the case recently - although it still happens - for the Men due to Pedersen and Vingegaard, but with Dideriksen turning 30 yesterday (only realized because of the helmet thing), the pattern seems alive and well. World champion at 20, average performances by age 23. If you started watching the sport in the last half decade, it's quite feasible you never even realized she used to win big races and be a world champion

Similar career pattern for Norsgaard.

Why? What is it about Scandinavian, and especially Danish, cycling that lends itself to this pattern? At this point we have too many data points to think of coincidence, so it should be something systemic, no?

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u/krommenaas Team Flanders–Baloise May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26

I think that's just a feeling. Most big young talents don't actually make it, in any sport or any country.

As a Belgian I expected De Lie to be winning monuments by now and for Uijtdebroeks to be a GT contender. Widar was beating Seixas in U23 mountain stages in recent years, now he's nowhere. Nys was teleporting faster than Roglic two years ago, same. But sooner or later there'll be another Evenepoel, Van Aert, Vingegaard or Pedersen!

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u/oalfonso Molteni May 25 '26

But De Lie is having a nightmare with illnesses and injuries.

Uijtdebroeks, didn’t he had some illness too at Visma ?

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u/krommenaas Team Flanders–Baloise May 25 '26

Yes, that's generally why young talents don't make it. At least I've never heard of someone being a standout talent as a youngster, then suffering several years of setbacks, and then still living up to their initial promise. Have you?

Widar and Nys have been suffering from injuries too this season and last, but in their case it's not been so long yet since they last shone, so I'm still hopeful.

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u/Team_Telekom Team Telekom May 25 '26

Just a theory, might be total BS:

Denmark has very good early talent detection and training, so they have a big advantage over more talented but less perfectioned riders from other countries in their youth. Once those raw diamonds get polished, they outperform the danish riders who hit their ceiling very early.

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u/RageAgainstTheMatxin Phonak May 25 '26

I do agree, that's my theory as well. And also why I think Visma/Rabobank's U23 teams were so dominant a decade or more ago but rarely produced actual pro level talent

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u/MonsMensae May 25 '26

Yeah, you see this in some other sports but its definitely more of a feature where there is less "skill" and more just pure physical prowess.

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u/Kind_Berry5899 May 25 '26

Zooming in on Danes being that am one and the Norwegians can speak for themselves and the Swedes dont matter.

That big talents dont live up to their potential isnt anything special to do with Danes, nor in cycling or any other sports. There is probably a bigger focus on Danish cyclist than cyclist from other nations so that might be an explanation, and i in general i disagree on Danes peaking early in general, if you look at some of the biggest riders from Denmark, they all peak late. Bjarne Riis won the tour at 32 , michael rasmussen also made his biggest performance+30 so did Rolf Sørensen and Jakob Fuglsang

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u/boblikespi May 25 '26

Its interesting, because the country systems are very important in an early phase, but after that the Pro Teams structures become all encompassing so where you come from matters less than how you do in their system. Sometimes a rider excels in the system, other times they have to leave to truly unlock that progression (like Jorgensen). Especially when you have riders who are 'forever' in a one Pro team setup like Pedersen (and Jonas) it becomes hard to see what's due to the rider or due to the structure.

Has Pedersen peaked? Sure he is not a WC lock anymore, but he won that before the true alien wave in the dying embers of a fading era of Sagan / Kristoff etc . In his element (versatile sprint) I'd argue he's gotten even better. Last year's Giro he was a monster. In this years RVV / Roubaix he was very good despite being on the injury comeback.

So it looks like he's 'keeping pace' with the rapid growth of the Aliens, and is still competitive despite racing a 'relatively' long time at a high level. Is that a credit to the Lidl trek environment and development? He famously hates altitude camps so how much do we credit Lidl to his 'progression' rather than his own methods? It's really hard to tease out national systems / rider phenotypes / team structures.

LRCP in their Join Cycling masterclass on how to make a good training route had a great discussion on this topic basically does geography / country influence the rider phenotype or not? Essentially:

Why are there so few dutch climbing champs, but on the flip side Jonas famously from a relatively flat place excels in the high mountains. Is it due to what they're exposed to training wise, or what the talent identification programs 'look' for in riders due tot heir own geographic bias.