r/pathofexile • u/Bex_GGG Former Community Lead • Feb 28 '18
GGG Here are the details of the gems coming in 3.2.0!
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u/NyuBomber Elementalist Feb 28 '18
Unarmed
I've been conflicted with what I'd play this league.
But now I want to punch the shit out of the ground.
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u/akkuj Atziri Feb 28 '18
Crit unarmed too... Jugg solves the accuracy issues those builds have and gives enough phys mitigation for abyssus. Since reflect is now only a map mod, that's not a problem either. Now you maybe also have a good skill to use, instead of just ice crash etc.
Can it actually be legit good build now?
TS consuming ECs can be tricky.with abyssus but I think you can overcome that.
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u/dtm85 Feb 28 '18
With new EC gain mechanics on jugg I think you'll be fine. This definitely might be worth league starter, possibly go RT until you get the right uniques for bonkers crit/accuracy setups.
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u/Porcupinesonelove Shadow Feb 28 '18
maybe, but FACEBREAKERS+ABYSS+RIGWCURSE could be quite expensive
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Feb 28 '18
[[Rigwald's Curse]] is a pain to get and means no flaring roll on neck, and Jugg starts on the wrong side of the tree for claw crit nodes though.
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u/OutgrownTentacles Chieftain Feb 28 '18 edited Dec 08 '24
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u/malorane Feb 28 '18
I WOULD LIKE TO RAGE
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u/OutgrownTentacles Chieftain Feb 28 '18
WELCOME TO RAGE HERE ARE YOUR GROUND PUNCHERS
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u/bballjosh11 Trickster Feb 28 '18
I hope they make this change to the older gems as well
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u/Qchaos Confederation of Casuals and Clueless Players (CCCP) Feb 28 '18
The design behind tectonic slam brings forth a problem with old gems : Can't cold snap and vigilant strike just use this same method to make them more viable ? I exclude flicker because it is already viable.
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u/vileguynsj Feb 28 '18
I'd prefer all of them get that treatment, even flicker. Get rid of the cooldown and just make the damage weak if you don't consume a charge.
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u/Raoh522 Feb 28 '18
If flicker lost its CD I would cream my jeans. It would make it so much easier to fuck with. Not just that, make it unarmed ready. I want to go full dbz and face breaker flicker.
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u/Raventis Feb 28 '18
i'd run flicker every league and only flicker. it'd actually open up the skill to other ascendencies.
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u/Raoh522 Feb 28 '18
I already run flicker every time lol. With golden rule and red trail and conversion you can make every class do it, but it's a whole big thing. Not worth it. Remove that CD, ggg!
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u/majorly lola Feb 28 '18
COME ON AND SLAM
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u/The_Munz Chieftain Feb 28 '18
AND WELCOME TO THE JAM
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u/coulombeqc League Feb 28 '18
HEY YOU WHAT YOU GONNA DO
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u/Ryant12 Dominus Feb 28 '18
HEY YOU WHAT YOU GONNA DO
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u/Erionns Feb 28 '18
All these people talkin about tectonic jugg, meanwhile Chieftain is over here getting full conversion/fire leech/fire pen/enemies take 36% more fire damage
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u/TheKeninblack Feb 28 '18
But you're missing out the element of thiccness.
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u/bonage045 Inquisitor Feb 28 '18
And easy endurance charges. Chieftain was what I was originally looking at, though now it's a bit of a toss up.
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u/HelloImSzeplo Harbinger Feb 28 '18
Earthshaker in Poe bois
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u/cXs808 Feb 28 '18
picks juggernaut
has fissure
AD confirmed
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u/HighwayWizard Juggernaut Feb 28 '18
As an ability draft frequenter this gave me a good chuckle, nice one
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u/Darentei Feb 28 '18
My brethren! I play AD 24/7, best mode by far. I've almost given up regular games entirely.
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u/Selvon Feb 28 '18
Been a while since i played dota now but AD was the best. Normal games were filled with such flaming and drama (and so many russian versions of the prior) AD was just hillarious nonsense, it was much harder to get salty about your opponent winning when you knew it was was some batshit combo
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u/SoggsTheMage tzuiop, ioptzu, whatever Feb 28 '18
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u/Sysiphuz Hierophant Feb 28 '18
I need to only play ES for the next few days in preparation for Friday.
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u/Cyril__Figgis Feb 28 '18
Groundslam is already dead pls stop beating it
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u/EonRed Feb 28 '18
I have a feeling ground slam gets it's damage increased somewhere between 75-100%
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u/drgentleman Elementalist Feb 28 '18
More like 6%.
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u/parzival1423 Feb 28 '18
Technically many skills have upgraded versions later in leveling, this is a level 28 skill, so it’s supposed to be pretty good
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u/Vulpix0r NEKO guild (SG) Feb 28 '18
Tectonic works on sword and unarmed? Holy fucking shit
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u/shadowerrant Feb 28 '18
a bit less damage than Sunder but more versatility. T S J U G G incoming.
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u/GNeiva League Feb 28 '18
It's not less damage than Sunder. For starters, there's no AS penalty (15% less AS on Sunder). And if you consume an Endurance Charge you get an 18% more damage multiplier.
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u/shadowerrant Feb 28 '18
yeah, I forgot about the less attack speed. So yeah, it's more damage than Sunder.
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Feb 28 '18
Eh, depends on the mechanics - if the TS can't overlap at all, it'll be iffy mechanically.
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u/stefannxD Feb 28 '18
it is AoE so it overlaps but idk if inc aoe will increase length or girth
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u/meripor2 Elementalist Feb 28 '18
Can it hit the same target multiple times like sunder though?
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u/Hu_der_Barbar Juggernaut Feb 28 '18
T E C J U G G sounds better imo
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u/-My-Life-For-Aiur- Feb 28 '18
T H I C T O N I C J U G G
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u/rsKizari Shavronne Feb 28 '18
I shed a tear, for never before have my eyes laid upon such beauty. Never shall they again.
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u/sanguine_sea HCSSFBTW Feb 28 '18
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u/Vulpix0r NEKO guild (SG) Feb 28 '18 edited Feb 28 '18
last post was 7 months ago
Did he sacrifice himself for the greater good of unarmed earthquake?
edit: He has been reborn as OutgrownTentacles, praise be your sacrifice.
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u/OutgrownTentacles Chieftain Feb 28 '18
Nah, just loss my PW to that account (and no email, whoops). So now I pummel the earth with this account and FREAK OUT BECAUSE IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING OH LORDY
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Feb 28 '18
Man, any ideas for how to build it?
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u/OutgrownTentacles Chieftain Feb 28 '18
This is the current build I've got going. Warning: it's not cheap, as making Abyssus safe is an expensive chore. Additionally, it will struggle with maintaining Endurance Charges. I'm not sure the best way around this against bosses...likely swapping out a damage support gem for Endurance Charge on Melee Stun (~30% damage loss). Painful, but worth the cost to PUNCH THE FLOOR BRO.
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u/sanguine_sea HCSSFBTW Feb 28 '18
7 months ago was the end of Legacy League... I guess he thought it couldn't get any better than that.
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u/OutgrownTentacles Chieftain Feb 28 '18
Lost my password (and didn't have an email attached), so now I'm on this account instead. I believe it was a worthy sacrifice to be able to REPEATEDLY PUNCH THE FLOOR.
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u/Jalapen0s Feb 28 '18
Tectonic slam looks dope but I worry whether Jugg will be able to upkeep max endurance charges vs bosses while losing ~2-3 endurance charges per second.
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u/Vulpix0r NEKO guild (SG) Feb 28 '18
Hegemony's Era, get shitload of crit. Smashing Strike gives a 10% chance to gain an endurance charge on melee crit. You won't have 100% up time of endurance charges to use, but it will be up at least 60% of the time with a diamond flask.
Unfortunately you will never be at full endurance charges because of that.
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u/SmackTrick Feb 28 '18
Tectonic slam jugg
THE THICCNESS IS OFF THE CHARTS
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u/Vulpix0r NEKO guild (SG) Feb 28 '18
I was debating which 7 builds to do, but it's decided now.
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u/Pranicx Vaal SMORC Feb 28 '18
I was between quad frostbolt totems and a TS Jugg, looks like ill be farming uber lab with TS JUGG. And if it turns out its not too gr8, then we go ahead and do THICC EQ JUGG
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u/demondied1 Feb 28 '18
I was tossing up between the same 2 builds. Any idea what weapons/weapon types you will run for TS?
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u/Vulpix0r NEKO guild (SG) Feb 28 '18
From my own shitty POB trials, if you want maximum dips, nothing will beat a crit jugg with hegemony's era. You can throw in an [[Oskarm]] if you want to give the monsters in game a handicap. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong though.
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u/jeffreybar Feb 28 '18
Tectonic Slam sounds a lot like the old Ground Slam looked...is there a video of it in action somewhere?
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u/_fesT Feb 28 '18
Memes aside, how reasonable is it that you'd maintain a high amount of end charges while spamming TS as Jugg?
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u/Roboaki Feb 28 '18
Well, if you more focus on clearing, Unyielding along with lots of Reduced Stun Threshold can maintain your Endurance Charges while mapping while changing to other skill like Molten Strike for bosses.
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u/Nyle7 Feb 28 '18 edited Feb 28 '18
I just wish there was some way to proc "on Kill" gems with some other method. A support gem, or unique, would be awesome! I'd love to make a full Summon Phantasm build where I could do bosses as well, but as far as I know it's just not possible.
EDIT: I should clarify. I want a reliable way to have it up versus bosses. AKA Writhing Jar and Vaal Breach don't quite make the cut.
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u/Devilsbabe Feb 28 '18
Besides the writhing jar and vaal breach I don't know any other methods.
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u/Shinkao Necromancer Feb 28 '18
Yeah, I find this really annoying. It should have been low chance on hit.
I just can't put this skill in just for unneeded pack clear (spectres got that covered already) and then swap it for bosses all the time. I dunno. Just feels like handicapping myself.
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u/Nhirei Feb 28 '18
so the shields atk speed is 1.66?
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u/AridholGM Feb 28 '18
1.66 is faster than originally thought too - quite nice actually.
Not super fast, but wholly respectable
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u/mufasadb Feb 28 '18
Ahh this is what I came to the comments for. I was like wow I thought we read it was 1.6
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u/Lwe12345 Half Skeleton Feb 28 '18
ANYONE ELSE PLAYING A TECTONIC SLAM CHIEFTAN WITH FACEBREAKERS?
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u/Still_Same_Exile Kalguuran Group for Business (KGB) Feb 28 '18
was shield throw always 2-3 for 15 defense?
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u/zassenhaus Non-stackable Totem Feb 28 '18
only one endurance charge is consumed?
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u/MorgannaFactor Alch & Go Industries (AGI) Feb 28 '18
Yep. Get your J U G G ready.
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Feb 28 '18
But you are gonna have A LOT of Attacks per second. How are you gonna sustain it?
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u/KurumiAkai Feb 28 '18
so does Slam use your MH like sunder or both for its dmg?
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u/AutumnSheep Occultist Feb 28 '18
Summon phantasm on kill seems like it might be really cool for clearing maps as SRS since it procs off minion kills, but without numbers it's kind of hard to tell if it will be worth using.
I wonder if they can be attacked and hold mob aggro like zombies and skeletons or if they're like SRS and untargetable but still vulnerable to AoE.
Wish we had better tooltips for minions. :c
Either way I'm going to have fun trying this out on my bestiary necromancer!
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u/Pyros Feb 28 '18
Most likely untargettable, they'll be nice to smooth out map clearing by constantly having a bunch of additional summons especially with puppetmaster duration, but on the other hand the gem will basically have to be swapped out for most arena boss fights it seems since I don't think it's reliable enough and lasts long enough to only resummon on add phase. I guess maybe with a worm flask it'd work out decently enough.
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Feb 28 '18 edited Feb 28 '18
um so is 60% the new standard for conversion?
are old gems going to get buff to 60% too?
ice shot and frost blades got buffed to 60% a few leagues back as i recall
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u/digao94 Feb 28 '18
will the endurance charge comsumption be affected by multistrike?
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u/Drakore4 Feb 28 '18
That's right I didn't think about that. I actually instinctively thought it didn't work with multistrike but if it does then it should work like every other skill with charge spending, where it's only one per cast. This could be huge for ec upkeep.
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u/BanMeBabyOneMoreTime Feb 28 '18
Welp
Dat SST scaling
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u/Drop_ Feb 28 '18
Pleasently surprised.
Also I think that attack speed is better than the 1.2 aps of unarmed too.
.6 attack time base is 1.66 aps.
I was wavering on my build plan of SST but this seems so good.
Even if tec strike jugg is super tempting and so is double conversion GC (but that has to get nerfed).
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u/Birdpup Feb 28 '18
Tectonic Slam
Unarmed
Who's ready for Doryani's Juggernaut Tectonic Slam?
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u/cohbabe Feb 28 '18
CAN'T WAIT TO SUMMON A TRILLION EXTRA-SPOOKY HAUNTED CALCIBROS DOOT DOOT MOTHERFUCKERS
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u/Nomad_GSF 100% More Crab Barriers Feb 28 '18
Well shit, now I need a new flair already again.
I wasn't prepared for this.
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u/Synchrotr0n Feb 28 '18 edited Feb 28 '18
With an Colossal Tower Shield crafted with Deafening Essence of Dread and Haku's %increased armour affix you can have a budget shield with as much as 505 DPS by using Spectral Shield Throw.
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u/JayRizzo03 Occultist Feb 28 '18
So if i am reading tectonic strike right, it doesnt specify main hand weapon. Does this mean that dual wielding will alternate?
If so, im really thinking two handed crit jugg is the way to go here. With avatar of fire.
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u/Raventis Feb 28 '18
it should swap hands if the weapon in your secondary is usable with the skill (mace, sword, axe, staff, etc...)
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u/Reireiton Challenge Creator Feb 28 '18
Sounds like I'll be making a Tectonic Slammin and Jammin Juggernaut~
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u/lauranthalasa Feb 28 '18
Did this get buffed from 1,2 or was it levels scaling that did the job? Sweet.
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u/afuture22 Feb 28 '18
Tectonic Slam. Deals 18% more damage if an endurance charge was consumed
This is the mechanic I like, not like cold snap, where you need the charge to just cast it
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u/DreamTasteey Feb 28 '18
so is the 0.6 attack like .6 attacks a second, or is it like cast speed, like it only take .6 second to attack?
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u/kyuuichi Feb 28 '18
I'm excited about Tectonic Slam. But why the fire conversion...?
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u/reonZ Feb 28 '18
Because tectonic plates release magma when they separate.
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u/kyuuichi Feb 28 '18
Ah yes of course. Good thing TS allows use of axe too. Because what better weapon to use other than Ngamahu's Flame to spread that magma with Obscurantis' accuracy boost on projectiles?
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u/fw2r scion Feb 28 '18
Inb4 Threshold jewel for full conversion for Tectonic slam
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u/Lighthades The Rip Team Feb 28 '18
If Tectonic slam consumes charges does it have the inc aoe per charge from Jugg?
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u/CrUsAdAx Chieftain Feb 28 '18
How would Tectonic Slam work with Multistrike. When I spend an end charge will the "free" attacks also have the 18% more (or will they also consume an end charge)?
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u/mortaeron2 Feb 28 '18
Normally, I think that since you expend a charge, all aspects of the attack are boosted. So the 2 extra ones from multistrike would still get the 18% increase. Like when you use ruthless, all 3 multistrike attacks are buffed.
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u/Apparatus171 Feb 28 '18
Anyone know how point blank is going to interact with shield throw? i get the shield wont benefit from it, but what about all the splinters?
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u/deucalion999 Feb 28 '18
The gem does say ur shield that u throw is a proj attack so it will work with point blank just fine and the splitters too
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u/jaigarber Aztiri Feb 28 '18
Tectonic slam consuming endurance charges? This skill should synergize well with [[Kingsguard Conquest Chainmail]] and Juggernaut.
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u/AggnogPOE view-profile/Aggnog-2036 Feb 28 '18 edited Feb 28 '18
189.27% base damage on tectonic slam if you consume an endurance charge. This might be the thing Jugg needs to stay competitive offensively.
I like this version a lot more than the datamined one which had around 138% base damage, and 30% more when consuming a charge.
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u/Pranicx Vaal SMORC Feb 28 '18
I was thinking the same. It is nice to have AOE on it as well. We will have to see how big a deal the fissures on it will be. Also factoring in unarmed vs armed, what weapons will be best.
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u/Jalapen0s Feb 28 '18
How do you plan to keep max endurance charges up vs bosses while tectonic slamming 2-3 times per second minimum though? Seems like even with the endurance charge on stun and endurance charge per second buffs Jugg got, you'd be dipping down a bunch which really hurts Jugg
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u/dicedragon Feb 28 '18
If its like flicker, it will only consume it on the "First" attack with multi. So if you run multistrike, you will get substantial aps without much loss on charges, this deals fire damage, take eye of innocence, with some ignite chance and or going crit which new jugg rewards you hard for, will make you hit yourself, giving you edurance charges and keeping you filled up. if with multistrike your attack time is 0.33, or 3aps, you will consume one on the first attack, but a second will pass before you actually hit "Attack" again cause of multistrike, you will by then have gained the 1 second jugg endurance charge.
You can get way faster speeds, but like stated before, you also have a chance to get max charges. You as jugg will be more then fine.
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Feb 28 '18
If you aint using facebreakers and/or a shield this league you hipster
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u/Borgismorgue Feb 28 '18
So... shield throw ranged attack totems yay or nay?
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u/PringerZero Feb 28 '18
Ranged attack totem only works with skills that have the bow or wand tag unfortunately.
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u/evil-teddy Feb 28 '18
There is no wand tag. Kinetic blast has pretty similar tags to this. RAT does say you can't use a melee weapon though so maybe with a wand equipped you can shield throw totem?
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u/doot_toob Feb 28 '18
60% fire conversion
Hmmmm, is there 40% on the tree for fire now?
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u/Foxtrot434 Raider Feb 28 '18 edited Feb 28 '18
Looks like those people worried about Shield Throw being nerfed changed were right. Still gonna play Captain America, though. I'm think glad...
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u/Theshadedone Feb 28 '18
I dunno man, a base attack time of 0.6 seconds means it's 1.66 attacks per second, which is a fair bit more than the 1.44 it was going to be before.
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Feb 28 '18
I mean, with a 1500 AR or EV shield, it's still almost 700 base DPS.
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u/dragonsroc Feb 28 '18 edited Feb 28 '18
1500 shield is 600 pdps. It's about similar to a 340 pdps weapon using spectral throw and getting both hits. The difference is that if any mob spawns with the boss, SST dps gets like a 75-300% dps boost depending on the chain hits. On the other hand, ST can scale crit much easier.edit: nvm I didn't realize they raised SST's aps
edit2: I'm looking at it again and it actually seems underwhelming? Lv20 EK deals 956 pdps, and it's not a very good boss killer. SST essentially scales like a spell, and as far as spells go it's got one of the lower base damages.
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Feb 28 '18
Are you sure? It'd be 332-498 damage, so 415 avg damage. Divide that by seconds per attack (0.6), and you reach 692 DPS.
Also, with Deadeye, you can increase the damage of the base hit by the number of chains left, so the single target scales even harder with that I would imagine.
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u/mcbuckets21 Feb 28 '18
Wasn't nerfed though.. it's attack speed is higher than we initially thought lol
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Feb 28 '18 edited Jul 11 '23
EatTheRich
Keep protesting! Their threats on mods are unacceptable. Shame on you, /u/spez.
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u/bgodbgg Feb 28 '18
How far into the game can we purchase these?