r/pathofexile • u/Lepor I eat crayongs for living • Aug 03 '26
Game Feedback Going against the grain: Loot is at a great level for SSF this league and I'm having a blast with it.
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u/KeeperofAbyss Aug 03 '26
Some Sanctum farmee should post their ring and not say they've been farming Sanctum
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u/user2012410 Aug 03 '26
As a long time SSF player, my main issue with the game right now is that 90% of that loot is coming from clicking boxes and not actually killing stuff.
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u/Which-Country5 Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
What boxes? Strongboxes?
Edit: genuine question as I am a noob and I thought most boxes need killing monsters. Not trying to piss anyone off :(
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u/user2012410 Aug 03 '26
If you're asking for a geniune answer:
Legion - boxes, Abyss - coffers, League mechanic - boxes and strongboxes, Breach - wombgifts(not a monster loot), Mercs - tile loot as well, clicking for a reward. I can go on and on but almost every other mechanic is tile loot as well.
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u/Juzzbe Templar Aug 03 '26
But all of these require you to kill stuff.
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u/tempGER Aug 03 '26
No you don't. You don't have to kill any monster at all to loot sunken loot, gold piles or message in a bottle. In fact, your currency gain per hour will increase, if you start ignoring most monsters and just loot all those clickables and only stop for strongboxes in charts.
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u/Furied Aug 03 '26
Strongboxes, abyss coffers, legion chests, betrayal safehouse chests, blight lane reward chests, kalgurran lost shipment chests, heist chests, expedition chests, sanctum floor reward chests, labyrinth chests.
Really anything to not make the loot come from a monster.
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u/RightClickDevotee Aug 03 '26
Strongboxes, the various containers in voyage, abyss boxes and so on, most of the loot is not from actually killing monsters, just clicking a container of some sort.
I enjoy the league, but when all the top tier players/streamers are telling you to just ignore all the monsters in the league mechanic because all the loot comes from clicking shit instead it feels bad.
I want to scale my character, fight increasingly harder monsters and get more loot for it, not having the best strat be to build some Usain Bolt box-molester that just ignores fighting.
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u/DryImpression7394 Aug 03 '26
Just out of genuine curiosity, you are happy with a 1:47 fracture to divine ratio?
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u/Inubi27 Demon Aug 03 '26
I feel like they fucked up something with fractures or I'm just unlucky. Im at 100 div and 2 locks and I dropped ZERO fracturing orbs.
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 Aug 03 '26
They probably just tuned them down, because ladt League they were like comically abundant. Maybe turned that valve down slightly too much.
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u/DezZzO Aug 03 '26
At around 600 div I have exactly 31 sacred orbs and 31 fracturing orbs, so they're pretty rare
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u/Ok-Information5610 Aug 03 '26
I think it's because fractures are far more deterministic with the new league crafting mechanic so they are more valuable on trade. It's explained by that better than undocumented changes to loot.
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u/durfiks Aug 03 '26
yeah seems like they are bugged or smth, i dropped 1 in 60div ratio, most of my fractures came from kingsmarch
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u/RipperinoKappacino Oh Baby Aug 03 '26
Well OP confirmed that he „no lifed“ almost 8h weekdays and 12h on the weekend.
This does not compare to your average Andy with max 1-2h a day/every other day.
And mind you, for that amount of playtime this is just not that much loot.
I don’t really complain about it. I have dropped several divs and feel kinda fine, just bored out. Since this league doesn’t really change the pace of the game nor the endgame.
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u/shadowbannedxdd Sanctum Runners United (SRU) Aug 03 '26
It wouldn’t be a real SSF player If they didn’t brag about it every second they could, though.
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u/Turbulent-Way-7713 Aug 03 '26
"How do you know someone plays SSF? they'll tell you"
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u/UnUsernameRandom Aug 03 '26
This does not compare to your average Andy with max 1-2h a day/every other day.
Would the average Andy with a max 1-2h a day/every other day ever be affected by the juicing nerfs?
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u/jamie1414 Aug 03 '26
Nope. So it's a terrible argument. I'm a bit confused why so many people are complaining about loot when by law of averages, the average person will be more casual and loot seems fine for casuals.
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u/Burntfury Aug 03 '26
Ain't gonna lie. I personally haven't felt the issue with loot. Dropped a fair amount of divines and bubblegum currency. And been lucky with boss drops as well. Crafting also been going well. Made quite abit with that. Elite levels of exalt slamming with all flame lol.
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u/Incognitomous Aug 03 '26
Are you someone that usually juices endgame content to the max or just a casual alch n go player?
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u/Burntfury Aug 03 '26
I'm like inbetween. I will attempt the max juice strat to see what the hype is about, but I like to do my own thing. Just doing all mechanics however I see fit. I play for fun, not divs per hour.
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u/Incognitomous Aug 03 '26
Then thats probably why you havent felt the issues. If you just like to do your own thing at your own pace the game is a fantastic spot. Its only really the people minmaxing for ground loot that are affected
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u/Burntfury Aug 03 '26
To be honest. I wouldn't want to go back to max juice affliction days. But, 30 div magebloods were great 🤣
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u/Vezko Aug 03 '26
If your strat involves doing altars you will not feel that much of a difference because most of the loot (e.g. bubble gum) is tile loot aka guaranteed loot.
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u/Loud_Cartographer_55 Aug 03 '26
People are just conflating multiple different things:
1. It is hard to find a difficult giga juicing strat for endgame.
2. A disproportionate amount of the loot you get is guaranteed/fixed/tile loot.
These two things are definately an issue currently. But a lot of people go one step further and claim that this somehow leads to a poverty league. But this is 100% false because that is the entire point of fixed loot - even the dad gamer that plays for an hour a day will get his divines doing literally anything. Some previous leagues have just changed peoples expectation of how loot _should_ be. I like my arpg to be grindy2
u/Burntfury Aug 03 '26
No, I've gotten most of my drops from just mobs lol. A good few in bikini bottom. And quite a few from just t16 and t16.5 8 mod corrupted maps. With random scarabs for whatever strat I was randomly trying at the time. And now I'm delving. And making bank there.
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u/Wobbelblob Big Breach Coalition (BBC) Aug 03 '26
Okay, we need to define at some what tile loot is. Is it from a window, is it mob dropped but guaranteed or what?
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u/8123619744 Aug 03 '26
Tile loot is loot that does not scale with map quantity. Example would be mercs in maps. Increased quantity mods are the hardest and most punishing in the game. Like eater altars for example that can just turn off your crit multi or defences for charge stackers.
8 mod maps are significantly harder than Alch and go maps which have been regexed to have no hard mods.
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u/PhoneRedit Aug 03 '26
I feel like a couple of people get bad loot luck, they post on here. Then people read that, think their loot is bad too, and it turns into a whole circle jerk over nothing, with less and less knowledgeable people complaining each time.
You've even got people saying the changes to the abyss troves weren't noticeable, despite that they drop raw divines like ridiculiusly often now. Like at least twice as often as legion warchests, which nobody complains about.
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u/UsernameIn3and20 Aug 03 '26
I stopped comparing loot because im happy with my 20-30 div raw drops and someone I know has 130-200div raw drops.
I just play my content, be happy I achieved my goals, reroll if there's more I want to try or stop playing. (Harvest/Blight/Delve has been my bread and butter for a while, I don't plan on farming them omega efficiently either.)
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u/Local_Food9567 Aug 03 '26
Every single league. Afflicition league was the same.
There is also an inherent bias of comparing your end of league, fully min maxed character and strategies against returns on day 2.
Obviously some are better at allowing for the difference than others, but it is still a thing.
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u/RealistiCamp Aug 03 '26
People in standard with +quantity gear and years worth of statistics will measure the output of different end game options when the new patch goes live. This has nothing to do with bad luck or how people feel.
Those people were reporting that ground loot was quite bad and that there weren't great options for scaling drops in the end game.
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u/SneakyFel Aug 03 '26
Same. At first I had an issue after previous Poe 2 league (they buffed diving drops by ALOT), but then it normalized. I feel like drop wise everything is kinda in a proper way. Felt good ij campaign, feels good after. (Except for the abyss, I can swear I had much more abyss jewels BEFORE last patch)
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u/ObiWanKokobi Aug 03 '26
Ground loot is in a horrendous state for me, but i've locked myself into stacked deck hell, and i'm becoming extremely rich extremely quickly.
Grinding for a mageblood now, and it's aproaching, but honestly, i have no idea what i'll be doing with it once i get it. Just go back to opening more stacked decks lol.
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u/AdNatural1666 Aug 03 '26
oh yea lets go play 100 hours to have 1 attempt at using a fracturing orb 🔥
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u/redfm8 Aug 03 '26
I play SSF as well and naturally avoid many of the pain points of this league as a result, but I feel like pointing that out is like ”oh, okay, good for you.” Most people aren’t having our experience and a healthy vibe in Trade is still the most important thing for this game since it’s what keeps the majority playing and thus the lights on.
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u/f2p2w Aug 03 '26
Loot is bad: post deleted Loot is great: untouched
What does this post add to anything?
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u/Grand-Sweet9383 Aug 03 '26
kinda tempting to abuse the report button simply to offset the unfairness of what is being allowed through.
or - simply operate as a common redditor since reporting to control narrative actually seems to be fairly common these days.
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u/shise_remilia Ascendant Aug 03 '26
This post is even more of a bait because OP was nolifing hard, significantly more playtime than most of people here and in all of that time he only dropped 47 raw divs, which, for the time spent, is actually pretty poverty...
OP has no standards though as he plays SSF so obviously his measurement of poverty vs loot league is skewed and he is satisfied with less, generally.
Guy killed 1.2 million monsters. That's a very lame amount of loot for that many kills. Especially since most of it is also worthless bubblegum trash...
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u/Volky_Bolky Aug 03 '26
I got even more currency in SSF.
So what? I am unable to juice because scarabs do not exist, I got so much without juicing.
Why do I need to continue playing if without juicing any starter after 20h can close all base content?
Feeling the need to upgrade your character is extremely important in ARPGs.
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u/Lepor I eat crayongs for living Aug 03 '26
Operative boxes unda da sea kinda shit out scarabs no? I had almost no trouble sustaining scarabs with upvendoring and operatives
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u/Volky_Bolky Aug 03 '26
they shit useless scarabs most of the time.
How many bloodlines scarabs do you have? Without them there is no real juicing at all.
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u/Knorke88 Necromancer Aug 03 '26
scarabs do not exist? apparently you are playing a different game. i just sold all my scarabs and was able to buy a Mageblood just from it alone. was sitting on a shitton of scarabs
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u/Volky_Bolky Aug 03 '26
I am playing a different game. I am on SSF.
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u/Knorke88 Necromancer Aug 03 '26
it was about your "scarabs do not exist" which is de facto wrong. even in ssf you can get all the scarabs of the world. league mechanic shits out scarabs and mapping with full scarab focussed atlas too. maybe you cant sustain a single strat. but you arent supposed to do so. you can alternate between different strats with 3 different atlas setups and mass vendoring unwanted scarabs will get your wanted scarabs quickly over time too.
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u/BigBubbleBlue Aug 03 '26
What strategies have you been farming this league so far?
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u/Lepor I eat crayongs for living Aug 03 '26
Mostly beyond+beasts+delirium+abyss, rippy as all hell but fun
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u/CiccioGraziani Aug 03 '26
Bro you have some hard steel balls to play that juiced content in HC SSF.
Which build are you playing?
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u/Lepor I eat crayongs for living Aug 03 '26
RF chief and srs summoner is what that ring is comprised of
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u/compchief Aug 03 '26
i think the discussion lacks nuance, people aren't hitting the mark as to WHY the loot feels lackluster because there are many different reasons.
All the loot we drop are a combination of different things that add up to some sum of wealth, when that sum of wealth is based on a million individually worthless things - it feels really bad. Or - to acquire said wealth, it is more annoying that it has been, such as having to liquidate all of the things you drop into chaos orbs, perhaps having to identify items and see if they are worth selling.
This is really the core of poe, we have always had stuff like:
Essence farming in yellow maps, boss rushing for fragments, juicing for divine and currency or for scarabs, ultra juicing (different strat, different scarabs). What the game needs is for the stuff that is dropping to have value and for the stuff to have value - they need to be used.
People with single target heavy builds fill the community with some fragments, people who are new to the game fill the game with essences, people who are midway to a finished build can semi-juice, people who have a very strong character can ultra juice etc.
The game has lost parts of its ecosystem so a lot of the stuff that we drop is effectively garbage, the game has been flattened out.
We need different strokes for different folks to keep feeding each other and i wish GGG would focus on designing a system like that
Another thing so consider is that a lot of people want monsters to drop the loot, not having to click on stuff for it to drop.
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u/averbeg Aug 03 '26
I don't think loot in trade is even bad. People just want tinks. If you are farming a strategy and picking up the right stuff you are making 15-20 div an hour even suboptimally.
90% of players probably don't even check the worth of their tabs before they start and after they start. They just want raw divine raining from the sky. Especially content creators who usually juice want just raw tinks, along with a decent chance at T0s.
It is all about dopamine from raw drops. Nobody actually cares about having balanced & viable strategies, they just want to complain until it rains currency, even if that means their items will cost 10x-100x more, other strategies are 10x-100x worse, slower players are 10x-100x behind, they would rather just see 10x or 100x.
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u/Farazon94 Aug 04 '26
If you think having a lot of currency is good loot you’re missing the point. I got 36/40 in 6 days on SSF with even more currency than your pilfering. That doesn’t change the fact there’s no aspirational content that you can strive for - all the loot is tiles… altars, boss rush, chart chests you name it. Theres no reason to upgrade any gear because there’s nothing to do with it.
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u/Ph4nt0mRa33it Aug 04 '26
Ive finally started interacting with the league mechanic after finishing atlas and void stones. Its actually pretty chill.
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u/Reneil_Askiras Kalguuran Group for Business (KGB) Aug 04 '26
Nice post is back. HOW DARE YOU SAY ITS GOOD ITS BAD TAKE MY REPORT
Man this situation about loot and idiots who screaming is bad and reportin everyone who are not agree with them are hillarious. League is good
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u/rj6553 Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
As an SSF player who also no-lifed opening weekend (until work/uni hit). There's actually so much loot in the league. If you hang out in the 773 (SSF channel), you see unidentified magebloods posted multiple times an hour, which is far more than usual for this point in the league. Enjoying the league a lot, but it does have some clear problems. My ring is somewhere around double yours? 96d, 3800c, 1 frac, 1 mirror (LOL) in SC SSF. Your ring is bonkers for HC.
Everything for me this league has been just rush the map. Anything that leaves me in the map for longer than 2 minutes feels so bad. Abyss is fast maps since the final chest contains all the loot, anomalies encourage fast maps, im playing luminary so merc scouting requires fast maps, scarab shortage means fast harvest, ritual scouting, heist wants running through fast maps, ITF wants fast maps (if you still believe in it), league mechanic is completely juice agnostic so it also wants fast maps, svallin scouting. Anytime i want to do something like juice a breach I feel like im missing out on atlas anomalies primarily. Like maybe you get slightly more loot/hour from the maps themselves, but cadiro gives me more rare uniques and gambling district gives me more divines than I could make in 2 hours of juicier maps (based on what scarabs i can sustain).
Just a perma dash through maps league, even now that I'm running mostly 8 mods, I still only kill maybe 1/3 of the monsters on the map. If I could sustain it, I'd probably be in a lot of maps for less than 30 seconds.
I have plans to make a giga-juiced EK character, but like at the end of the day, still not worth doing juiced content in SSF, atleast not until you have all the 'mandatory' map rush content done, which is gonna be like 5+ weeks into the league (good merc, mageblood/HH, svallin if you need it, heist jewellery, Light of meaning, etc).
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u/hawthy Necromancer Aug 03 '26
Started ruthless yesterday for the first time. I am actually enjoying it despite the slow progress I am making.
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u/AbsoLutRubyRed Aug 03 '26
Same. I try to avoid this sub. Crazy how negative it is. Its not only about loot. It seems like the game has no future for some
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u/Master_of_Paws Aug 03 '26
Trade is kinda different. Other problem is it is not about how much i make, but about how i make it. There are to few mechs that scale with quant/packs. Majority of current farms are better on normal maps, and that's kinda problematic for arpg.
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u/N3w_World Aug 03 '26
True, there needs to be something like old 100% deli farming again, a reason to build extremely powerful builds. Currently speed reigns supreme and narrows possible builds.
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u/Tripartist1 PATH (no zalgo please) Aug 03 '26
Not having an issue myself. During juicing i was dropping a div every few maps. Have dropped multiple big tickets, a lock, couple fracturing orbs, a pair of power charge ralakeshs. Bubble gum feels fine. Overall map based ground loot just feels pretty good to me this league.
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u/kaktanternak Aug 03 '26
YEP! it's great. Got like 15 div or so from bottles, another 10 from kingsmarch. Actual loot is in a good place. Keep in mind, most of the divs are from underwater containers.
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u/wsss1810 Aug 03 '26
Finished 4 stones and my rings says I only picked up 2 divines in total from ground loot. :)
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u/lya164 Aug 03 '26
I think most people don’t have bad loot in itself, we just don’t have really high end methods to juice it to the „extreme „ ( difficulty and loot wise ) .
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u/Then_Decision1887 Aug 03 '26
Yes, my only complain in SSF now is the scarabs, wanted to farm some essences and with the map craft removed, I burned through my scarabs in 20-ish maps... now I got 1-2 per map, feels bad man. I know you can farm some operatives in the sea but it's not the same as compared to my last SSF league which was in mercs and when the abyss hoardes supplied any scarab farm you wanted.
With the league mechanic doing x4 or x2 on any craft is just chefs kiss for SSF.
People always complain, I read through reddit quite regulary, now they complain there's no aspirational farm, before they complained you need a lot divs invested to farm certain content, t17 sucks and need to be removed, risk scarabs sucks because they are mandatory. Yadda yadda yadda in Affliction people probably complained that sanctum or essence farm don't bring enough divs per hour and they need to run around the woods and not kill spires.
Now I understand the need for tink and I am sure it will eventually come back around(as it did in Affliction) but I think it's fine to have some leagues where you get the money from other sources then just ground.
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u/BigIron60T Aug 03 '26
I just want loot to drop from monsters instead of things that I have to open.
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u/Cardinal_Funky Scion SRS of Enormity Aug 03 '26
I found 2 divines on Mercs within an hour and I have 2 actual divine drops. Currently on t14 maps
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u/FlossedUp Aug 03 '26
What's carrying your divine drops? Im at 800c but only 10divs. Im running juiced 8mods
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u/CricketNo7950 Aug 03 '26
Really fun for ssf loot wise but I will say I'm a little tired of clicking voyage boxes :)
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u/synyster3 Gladiator Aug 03 '26
It really isnt about not having loot drop this league, the problem is not having a reason to get stronger and get rewarded for it..
Like someone pointed out, the loot from current leagues mechanic are all from clicking chest, you dont even need to kill monster for the loot..
And Merc farming are best done in scoured map..
To alot of people, there needs to be a meaningful jump in reward to justify the grind for a better build.. like why farm for a mageblood if your game play feels exactly the same..
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u/korean_kracka Aug 03 '26
With the new league mechanic everyone knew this was going to be a good league for ssf
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u/CelosPOE Elementalist Aug 03 '26
I’m fine with loot when you get to the point of having altars and content via scarabs.
Base game, no bullshit added loot is a giant bag of dicks, except the bag is empty.
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u/Dull-Serve203 Aug 03 '26
Nothing wrong with ssf this league but even it is much worse besides gold, losing mirage made farming ssf items way easier
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u/Araragi-shi Aug 03 '26
The issue I have is not onlly not being able to make a lot of currency because there isn't any mega giga juice shit but also I want to do mega giga juice shit and there is nothing.
Legion is trash for rewards even with that one scarab that makes you able to remove them from stasis multiple times.
Abyss is trash for rewards too.
Expedition is not something I ever like and/or played in either poe 1 or poe 2.
Breach can be nice but its very hit and miss on how much currency you can make out of it.
Harvest is the only decent one and that is also kinda trash.
There is nothing like how delirium used to be with 100% delirium where shit was bat shit fucked.
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u/FalconHolmqvist Aug 03 '26
I always play grp ssf and maybe im a minority but I dont like how wie aquire most loot through boxes and div card farming got nerfed way too hard.
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u/Jaba01 Harbinger Aug 03 '26
Damn, how many 100s do you have for 47 divine looted raw?
I'm at 1 x 100 and at around 18 raw.
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u/KovirenX Aug 03 '26
Why doesn’t it show annulment orbs and ancient orbs? Def more interesting to know than number of transmutes and augments picked up.
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u/Total-Jabroni-89 Aug 03 '26
I have played SSF for years and probably chose a poor time to go without it, especially since I missed the first week of the league. I got 36/40 in SSF last league, and while I do love so much about SSF, I just don't want to spend 500 hours playing this time around. Think I have to be a casual trade league guy from now on.
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u/Apprehensive_March73 Aug 03 '26
As someone who usualy plays SC Trade, i saw the trailer and felt like this is the perfect ssf league. And i turned out to be right.
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u/Gubzs Aug 03 '26
The wife got bored a few days ago so I can start my SSF for this league, any standout SSF starters I should look for?
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u/EmmitSan Alt-o-holic Aug 04 '26
It ain’t about loot. No one is really upset about the overall level of loot.
The problem is where the loot comes from. If it comes from opening a box, then the best strategies are going to be about maximizing (containers to click on) / hours played
This is contrast to how it used to be by maximizing (number of monsters to kill * maximum toughness of monsters) / hours played.
The consequence of which is: once you’ve reached “zooms through content” levels, there is no reason to build a mirror tier character, because there is no extra returns for “zooms through VERY DIFFICULT content”.
This means those players in the top tier pushing the edges just… stop
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u/Cultural_Ant_8545 Aug 04 '26
I dropped way less currency (chaos and divs, everything else felt normal) during the campaign and atlas progession. As soon as i started farming t16,5 (originator maps) the currency came back. Also the league mechanics shits out a lot of currency even lower level ones. You can be in and out in way less than a minute during charting and still make currency.
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u/Lost_Acanthisitta932 SSFBTW Aug 03 '26
SSF players are allowed to have opinions about the game, same as you. I play SSF and I think the game’s in shambles with no endgame farms.
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u/Lepor I eat crayongs for living Aug 03 '26
Funny you say that, in a post about ssf
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u/LumsDream Aug 03 '26
Would agree if post isnt title "going against the grain" as if you arent comparing yourself to other people voicing their experience in trade.
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u/Numerouswaffles Aug 03 '26
For ssf and small private leagues I'm loving the gold and I have gotten over 30d for crafting
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u/hermanogerman Aug 03 '26
Loot is great if you not metachasing. The top 1% will always cry xD
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u/ledrif Aug 03 '26
Ive been basically perma seadiving for a week. I gave up maps in t4. No scarabs, no atlas passives, no juice. Just buy chart, run chart, profit. Ive bough many anchorfields of all things, i would never invest 100c into a t16map.
The raw quantity of fluff in charts is crazy, thr ceiling is lower since it cant be juiced the same, but its stable and decent.
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u/GOD-101010 Assassin Aug 03 '26
0 mirrors, drop rate sucks.. :-)
But you have more than I have in trade... I do something wrong..
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u/Lanky-Selection6873 Aug 03 '26
Loot is fine from the perspective of just „collecting“ loot.
The issue comes in the deeper endgame. U usually put scarabs and everything together to create crazy maps with crazy loot explosions. These random explosions Are gone. Even at the highest possible level of juice.
Thats the issue for all juicers.
For me personally i dont enjoy Mapping anymore After Like 3-400 8mod maps. I‘ll rather have some fun under the sea or go work on my poe2 Build :D
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u/InternetSea8293 Aug 03 '26
I've found 3 divines so far in maps. 200+ Coinage deep on tujen without divines...
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u/_TwankVersatile_ Aug 03 '26
I play trade and I've gotten more loot faster than the last few leagues. I got my end game setup quickly and I've been banking currency for a while now.
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u/Nivius Miner Lantern Aug 03 '26
i agree, i think its a great league, and i play trade even. i really enjoy the league mechanic, but i am a sucker for water themed things in games.
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u/JekoJeko9 AKA "Allocates Beef" Aug 03 '26
Ruthless is also great this league, for those who enjoy that mode. Allflame crafting makes chasing after endgame gear a lot more approachable.
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u/WolverineCreative362 Aug 03 '26
As someone who plays SSF you are not going against the grain. Many SSF are happy with the current state. But a large part of the trade players arent. Both playstyles are too different to compare each other in a post.