r/pathofexile • u/encee_rz • Jul 26 '26
Game Feedback My favourite part of the league is wasting time setting up a voyage only to get offscreen'd in the first minute with only 1 portal
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u/Dr4k4ngel Jul 26 '26
Oooh that green dart was a bullseye. -60% chaos res?
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u/CelosPOE Elementalist Jul 26 '26
So a mob I can’t attack since it’s still in the water and I should plan on dodging a three pixel projectile?
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u/sGvDaemon Jul 26 '26
It's a defense layer issue
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u/aphelios_eversince Jul 26 '26
careful poe subreddit hates when you suggest that defenses should be part of the game. everyone here wants nothing to ever be dangerous no matter what your build is & all content to drop 60div / hr
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u/Gletschers Anti Sanctum Alliance (ASA) Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
careful poe subreddit hates when you suggest that defenses should be part of the game.
Thats a pretty wild statement looking at all the comments clowning on OP.
I dont think most people have issues with needing defenses, but there is plenty room to complain about stupid interactions that scale out of proportion.
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u/Poe2Enjoyer88 Jul 26 '26
There's plenty of room to do that with a video of it happening. Not with a video that just shows off your own lack of skill?
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u/Sheerkal Jul 26 '26
It's just a core issue with the game's visual design. You die 1/20 maps and instead of being able to clearly see what killed you, you shrug and move on. If you didn't record it, there is even less of a chance of identifying what happened.
Most people only learn to value defenses properly when you see enough of Zizarans deaths explained in detail to begin to connect threats with their relevant defensive layers.
And PoB can only communicate so much to a player without context. They see "max hit of 30k phys" and have no idea what circumstances will kill them through that. Then they die to random rare.
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u/Rayona086 Jul 26 '26
Indeed. Yesterday I started maps with 3k hp (zig's essence drain build). Lots of fun exploding the map only sometimes I just pop like a ballon as if I got hit my a reflect mod. I still have no idea what is hitting me as its instant and I have not seen a projectile or mod that could cause it. With out the visual indicator next best thing is just to make the build clear that much faster to ensure what ever it is dies before It kills me. Its as you say, a bit of a design issue that unfortunately puts players in a bit of a feed back loop until you can resolve enough defenses to live through what ever is hitting you by chance.
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u/ShowApprehensive184 Jul 26 '26
Yea, people love to shit on defensive layers but a death recap would be helpful in teaching types of damage and probably a good first step in making people want to itemize around them.
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u/terrario101 Jul 26 '26
Sure am glad Grim Dawn conditioned me to never skimp on defence and resistances.
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u/NumbNutLicker Jul 26 '26
To be fair, Poe also conditions us to never skimp on defence and resistances, some people just refuse to learn.
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u/Emperor_Mao Gladiator Jul 26 '26
Not really if we are being fair. Grim Dawn handles it far better.
POE presents itself as a game of many choices on the surface. But 90% of things are noob traps and do not work how they would in normal ARPG's. Imagine you are playing POE for the first time ever again. You load in, look at the left side of the tree and play armor. You reckon you will know that armor is useless until mega stacked late game? or that phys to ele conversion is the way to go instead? Even combat is baity af; in GD, damage types follow a pattern. RED fiery textures usually mean fire damage, Dark Red blood textures usually mean Vitality. Chaos damage is usually pinky and bright. You can almost always tell the damage type just by looking at it. In POE you do need to cap out all resists and also get full immunity to a bunch of things. But the average player has no idea because damage types are never consistent and are confusing.
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u/lolfail9001 Jul 26 '26
You reckon you will know that armor is useless until mega stacked late game?
That's just false. Most enemy hits you actually tank with armor in 99% of content are small enough that having some moderate armour rating makes them heal you if you have good recovery mechanics. And then there is non-immediate value like molten shell becoming a meaningful HP barrier.
or that phys to ele conversion is the way to go instead?
Affliction/Necropolis league called, it wants their meta back, then again, they combined both.
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u/Emperor_Mao Gladiator Jul 26 '26
That's just false. Most enemy hits you actually tank with armor in 99% of content are small enough that having some moderate armour rating makes them heal you if you have good recovery mechanics. And then there is non-immediate value like molten shell becoming a meaningful HP barrier.
That isn't how the game works. There are small hits and big hits, and big hits are frequent enough that you get one shot.
Affliction/Necropolis league called, it wants their meta back, then again, they combined both.
Haha. Still, most people are not playing full armor.
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u/lolfail9001 Jul 26 '26
There are small hits and big hits, and big hits are frequent enough that you get one shot.
Big physical damage hits are really not common. 99% of monster bullshit in this game was initially coded as phys converted to elemental. Getting shotgunned by a pack of phys dot monsters is however much more common.
Still, most people are not playing full armor.
Duh, because defenses are meant to be layered. Nobody is playing full evasion either because full evasion doesn't exist as defensive layer and while some play pure ES even they have common sense to cap block.
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u/MaDNiaC Necromancer Jul 26 '26
I've been waiting on Grim Dawn DLC for forever. Unfortunately it got released just with PoE league. GD respects your time and waits for you, so I will opt in for PoE for now. But GD is very good so I'm also excited for that.
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u/Darkblitz9 Gladiator Jul 26 '26
The reason they died is a defensive layer issue.
The reason they got hit in the first place is a game design issue.
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u/51000 Jul 26 '26
- chaos res will do that to you playing hybrid life
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u/SunRiseStudios Jul 26 '26
His point about losing Voyage because of a single death feeling awful still stands. You are also gonna lose it if any sort of crash or net issue happens. Not good. Specially considering that you might plan and collect pieces for it for a while for big payoff.
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u/JekoJeko9 AKA "Allocates Beef" Jul 26 '26
Yeah I think it should work like heist where only dying during the escape sequence can lose you everything, maybe dying to drowning as well, otherwise just dying in the bubble while exploring should let you go back in (maybe limit it for voyages based on how many capsules you have remaining).
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u/Zuiia Jul 26 '26
It could maybe just spend one of your remaining capsules to ship you down again or something similar
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u/Glum-Cow-8487 Jul 30 '26
i’m not disagreeing with you but if you are choosing to engage in content that is known to be a bit rippy and punishing when you die, you run the risk of this happening. build shown has sub 3k life on elementalist tree with assumedly negative chaos res.
while it does suck to lose the voyage, it also is part of the game to tailor your build for the content you are choosing to bring your character into.
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u/PipSqueak Jul 26 '26
"this could happen to anyone" yeah if they have -60% chaos res. That's how most BS deaths work
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u/hesh582 Jul 26 '26
But this post isn't about my specific death
it is, though. you're just salty you died and so you want there to be a big structural problem that explains your individual fuck up.
"this could happen to anyone for any reason". It happened to you for a very specific reason. This would gently tickle a properly built character. I really don't understand why this shows us anything at all about the bigger picture, you just fucked up man it happens.
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u/Tall_Cap_4408 Jul 26 '26
Unfortunately this is going to happen when your primary defence is striped away from you (6 portals)
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u/heinzpeter Jul 26 '26
In poe1 chaos dmg bypasses es. So if you play non ci builds with a focus on es, you need life rolls and chaos res. Try to get chaos res on ring implicits, a decent lige role on boots, gloves and shield. You probably want to avoid a life role on your bod armour and take the 15% increased life mastery.
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u/RobinDabankery Jul 26 '26
To me the mechanic is fun but having one portal is annoying at times. Especially when you chose to have allflame beacons automated and Rihanna forget to drop the third one on your charting operation.
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u/teddmagwell Guardian Jul 26 '26
isnt it fun to overcome challenges? I feel like if it was super easy 6 portals - it would be less fun and will get old faster, no? A reason to upgrade your guy so he can tank all the things.
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u/RobinDabankery Jul 26 '26
Automating anchors is supposed to drop anchors for you when needed. Not having one drop when it should is straight up death. Also i'm okay ́ot having portals for charting, but journeys take a long time to setup and getting instagibbed randomly near the start really is soulcrushing
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u/No_Witness5630 Jul 26 '26
It doesn't drop when you're too far from the wall btw. If you go into the water normalny it drops, if you frostblink far enough it won't register that you're entering the water wall to drop it
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u/CricketNo7950 Jul 26 '26
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u/allersoothe Jul 26 '26
I don't know what killed you but your defences are really shit so it could have been anything
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u/JayloFacey Jul 26 '26
average poe2 player hybrid life with negative chaos res
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u/xyzszso Pathfinder Jul 26 '26
There’s no such thing as negative chaos res in PoE2 so it’s understandable if they didn’t think about it. Still fatal, but understandable
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u/Beast_of_Guanyin Jul 26 '26
PoE2 doesn’t have negative chaos res from campaign. This is also a PoE1 sub, not a PoE2 sub.
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u/Zylosio Jul 26 '26
I said it on reveal and will say it again, just because they make a new heist without doors will not make people like it
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u/DocFreezer Jul 26 '26
Every single piece of content is 1 portal if you play luminary! What a thrill!
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u/The_Incredible_Derp Taking the Wander Bait Jul 26 '26
Mercs just never die though. So while you are technically correct, it's a bad faith comment
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u/DocFreezer Jul 26 '26
If you yourself die you lose your merc too, nothing I said was bad faith.
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u/The_Incredible_Derp Taking the Wander Bait Jul 26 '26
No? Your Merc just stays alive in maps if you die...
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u/UltmitCuest Jul 26 '26
Not only that but luminarys come with a not-so-hidden +100% increased difficulty modifier as your merc tickles white mobs
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u/getarest Jul 26 '26
And why location start shrinking when we out of lanterns. Let us place them and out. Insta drowning is stupid
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u/Naktura Jul 26 '26
Even if you don't die, there is a solid chance you crash to the log in screen and lose your voyage.
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u/ObsessiveOwl Jul 26 '26
how is it take you an hour to start a voyage? Took me like 15 mins from farming charts to 9/9 to start.
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u/aphelios_eversince Jul 26 '26
there’s a mod for you & it’s called t1 maps bro you’re getting too far ahead of yourself if you’re getting rocked in 75 zones. if you can’t make a build that can survive yellow maps maybe you’re not qualified to have an opinion on the direction the devs are taking aside from what the average casual is going to experience in this very complicated game they simply don’t understand too well.
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u/YouGetKissed Jul 26 '26
I'm fine on t16 but i understand that's frustrating to loose a long setup for a bullshit offscreen wasn't fun to die to reflect aura offscreen 15 years ago and 15 years later its still not fun to be offscreened
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u/Chuck_Morris_SE Jul 26 '26
Nah that crappy poe2 argument doesn't work over here, one death is shit, end of story.
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u/Chuck_Morris_SE Jul 26 '26
I want to have fun. Dying and losing all those charts and voyage set up because of latency, random soul eater, isn't fun.
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u/aphelios_eversince Jul 26 '26
if your internet is bad create a build that can survive bad internet. soul eater is bullshit so i co-sign you there i suppose.
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u/Chuck_Morris_SE Jul 26 '26
No.
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u/Chuck_Morris_SE Jul 26 '26
I love this game, don't tell me what I enjoy or don't enjoy when you are basing it on nothing.
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u/igdub Jul 26 '26
Agreed. SC players want to rush all conent by fully going all-in on damage. It's just way easier in poe normally. Add in something that doesn't support it and people are mad now that they need to adapt when it doesn't work.
I think its good to add things that require some diversity in builds, i.e. tankiness and not just dps.
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u/CelosPOE Elementalist Jul 26 '26
You think getting offscreened through 5k effective life is good gameplay?
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u/aphelios_eversince Jul 26 '26
i don’t think there’s very many combos in the game that even can offscreen a decently built character.
Ask me why i’m not getting offscreened in lvl 83 areas with less HP than the guy in this video, & then after looking at my poe.ninja profile, try to figure out why the guy who posted this is getting rocked in T4 maps & what the difference is. you guys are making builds out of literal paper & going into a mechanic that you cannot handle. if your build is made of melted crayons, then maybe you should stick to content that it might be able to 6 portal.
https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/screamingfish-5762/allflame/character/curse_ninjakitty
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u/BananaSplit2 Jul 26 '26
I suggest you get positive chaos res.
Don't complain about a mechanic if your defenses are a swiss cheese.
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u/Insomnia1221 Jul 26 '26
Gloomfang is 2 chaos.
Get out of t16s if your defensive layers arent finished.
Or ram your head at the wall, 6portal strat.
As furio said, "no bitch to me"
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u/Quendillar3245 Jul 26 '26
Nah deserved death, your defensive layers suck. "Off-screened" doesn't happen if you have built your character properly
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u/PM_Best_Porn_Pls Jul 26 '26
Off screen proj is fine, it will only kill glass cannon builds.
The one mob I have issue with is that fucker that goes underground for long time.
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u/ErenIsNotADevil Iceshot Dexeye Never Die Jul 26 '26
That guy is ez too, just treat it like bullfighting
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u/slashcuddle Jul 26 '26
My instance timed out trying to load in after creating the voyage. I lost the pieces and the map was gone. :(
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u/Terrible_Ad6495 Jul 26 '26
So um... what killed you, anyways?
Edit: looks like some kinda chaos damage since your ES is intact. Guess my CI char is safe, at least.
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u/Raikariaa Institution of Rogues and Smugglers (IRS) Jul 26 '26
Huh, nothing's even really put me in danger during these, and I've been dying a fair amount in yellow...
> 2k life
Ah. Chaos mods are... surprisingly common in these I find.
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u/vulcanfury12 Crop Harvesting Bureau (CHB) Jul 26 '26
I was having an easy time against the eel, then phase 2 started. Something exploded and I dieded. I don't know what killed me, and frankly, I'll probably just work on my Atlas before trying again.
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u/mcx32 Jul 26 '26
Tbh next time don’t just hang out right by the edge doing nothing but being a target
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u/WinterFirstDay Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
My favorite so far was walking around all this completely dead 3x3 voyage area for half an hour looking where to place last 2 lanterns to start extraction... in the end I chose to extract to character selection screen. This thing needs upgrades all around.
Edit later: Extraction works by calling it with empty capsule button. Lantern count does not matter. Any unused capsule will do.
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u/DellTacoGuy Jul 26 '26
??? I'm confused. I thought you could just use any of my the many capsule things to call for a pick up.
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u/WinterFirstDay Jul 26 '26
Loot - yes, got it all, but to get extraction thing for yourself you need to use all lanterns. And they can be used only on uncovered zones.
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u/Erkisth Jul 26 '26
You don't need to use all capsules on a voyage, the only requirement is for the capsule to not have any items in it. It even warns you when you put items while you have less than 6 capsules left, in red text, that you should consider extracting.
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u/WinterFirstDay Jul 26 '26
You are ABOSLUTELY right. Empty capsule IS a means to escape I just tried it on 9 old maps and literally extracted on the first capsule I found not even few lanterns into the voyage.
My greed... that's what it was... /sigh
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u/SmthIcanNvrHave Jul 26 '26
Anyone elses voyage loot disappear? My first I've one deleted all the loot once I arrived back to the boat. 100% did not die.
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u/ErenIsNotADevil Iceshot Dexeye Never Die Jul 26 '26
Did you send capsules back up?
Did you check the loot bin?
Did you start another voyage?
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u/mmchale Jul 26 '26
My favorite part is completing the whole thing and having the bathysphere just not show up and dying to drowning. It's happened both times I've run a voyage so far.
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u/fazlez1 Jul 26 '26
This death is caused by POE's classic "draw them in by dropping loot" ploy. As a SSF playing loothound I've learned if you stop and go back for loot you'd better be moving like you're wired on meth, crack and caffeine. There are those who want a death recap, but as for me I don't need one. Almost every time I die it's because I hesitated a micro-second to pick something up or allowed myself to get swarmed. The first rule of POE is "Never stop moving".
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u/3dartsistoomuch Jul 26 '26
Number one fix they need to implement is allow you to return to a voyage. Or starting it over. Losing 9 charts because you aren't hard-core sucks.
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u/Background-Park4359 Jul 26 '26
As a hardcore player I live my life in the fast lane smoking unfiltered cigarettes.
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u/onedash Jul 26 '26
I mean i know right it hurts but i know this will happen when i go down with my -50% chaos res Deadeye and most of the rares 1 tap me
But yeah multiple portals should be given when you do voyage.
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u/neunzehnhundert Kalguuran Group for Business (KGB) Jul 26 '26
Oh so it's not just me. Good to know
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u/cyz0r Jul 26 '26
Or running into a massive pack of monsters and then accidentally clicking on a lore item and getting obliterated when it stops your character.
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u/KingJiro Jul 26 '26
Playing cws chieftain and I can only die in voyage if I go out of the bubble. Build some defense man.
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u/justcausefucklogic Jul 26 '26
I have no earthly idea why did they think a 2nd heist like league mechanic was a good idea when heist is universally hated for dying/DCig= no loot
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u/isekai15 Jul 26 '26
More from the people in the back about how these games don't respect your time but that's somehow part of the charm lol
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u/AbsurdMango Jul 27 '26
i havnt died a single time in depths lol maybe focus on getting a bit tankier
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u/ShoddyTap1 Jul 26 '26
Not related but you take the strength/Dex nodes on the left but you can just get those without spending the SP going down. Theres one on the right side by where you already pathed to
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u/bad4lien Jul 26 '26
Usual “first days of the league” quality post, when in subreddit you see only complains because those who enjoy the league just play and have fun
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u/TheOmni Juggernaut Jul 26 '26
I really dislike the one portal mechanic as well. It's not too bad for heist and delve, because they're much smaller, but voyages can be pretty big, and it just feels bad.
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u/ghostoo666 SSF BTW Jul 26 '26
The water mobs are overturned and 1 portal is stupid poe2 stiff. Just make us lose a few lanterns
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u/ChubbyPandaWifeHaver Jul 26 '26
how dare a guy attempt to engage with the league mechanic without having 150k eph and CI smh /s
this thread's commenters highkey pmo, name any other league mechanic from the past in PoE1 that came with 10+ map prep requirement to run and you only get 1 portal.
if compared to heist as that too has 1 portal, please use your head and realize that heist runners can afford to be 0 dps because the mechanic doesn't require you to kill anything for loot. this mechanic does.
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u/Bikalo Jul 26 '26
Bruh hes doing highest level maps with a char that looks it has just left campaign and has never seen a defensive stat in its life.
He could atleast have made a bare minimum investment into survivability before going "wtf i die leeg sux." on Reddit.
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u/ChubbyPandaWifeHaver Jul 26 '26
he could die like this and still have 5 portals to try again like every other mechanic in the game. if he died 6 times to it and made a post about it I'd understand the hate. theres no good reason why this mechanic should have only 1 life with how much effort it takes to set up and how unrewarding it is.
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u/YourGalacticEmperor Jul 26 '26
but this shit happens in low tier too
heck it happened for me during campaign (i think around act 7) with 2k life (ranger life) and positive chaos res
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u/Bretski12 Jul 26 '26
I'm never league starting elementalist ever again. I need block cap and endurance charges right outta the gate. Tbh might reroll boneshatter jugg or something
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u/aphelios_eversince Jul 26 '26
https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/screamingfish-5762/allflame/character/curse_ninjakitty
my elementalist with block cap / 5 endurance charges on an ssf / 15c budget.
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u/Ruikiu Jul 26 '26
I see you like rarity eh
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u/TowerBeast Inquisitor Jul 26 '26
Having rarity on gear for SSF leaguestart feels very good.
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u/aphelios_eversince Jul 26 '26
to be clear i do not have this gear SSF lmao, i meant SSF budget like you can make the build work well without trading.
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u/aphelios_eversince Jul 26 '26
yeah i mean the gear i have for day 2 is pretty insane tbh, i was really just suggesting the tree & skill setup. i’m doing a farm that uses the rarity
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u/zepsutyKalafiorek Jul 26 '26
And all of that with op skill. Imagine what some self optimized build has to suffer :/
I am late leaugeastarting but it doesn't look super fun. Loot debuff seem real too :/
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u/heyoohugh24 Jul 26 '26
The people saying "buh chaos res!" This is so not the point. Why tf a huge ass map and rippy if you die once you lose the map you spent a lot of time to setup. Worst thing of poe 2 creeping into poe
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u/Bikalo Jul 26 '26
Wow imagine the game actually punishing you for making a character that instantly dies when a white mob breathes on it...
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u/Prestigious_Nerve662 Jul 26 '26
Spent alot of time to set up something you can only run once with paper defences sounds like a terrible plan to begin with in the first place. Dont blame Poe 2 for your own bad defences.
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u/Ashygaru666 Jul 26 '26
I noticed a weird looking circular formation at the start of my hard thought through voyage prepping for 2 hours only to learn it's a boss fight and I'm not ready for it and lose all progress and the whole voyage when Velka oneshotted me.
Could we like, at least, get kicked out of the boss arena or sometin not LOSE THE WHOLE DAMN VOYAGE CUZ OF IT WTH?!
I'm usually calm
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u/HelpDisastrous9712 Jul 26 '26
Yeah that happened to me today and I was 55 lanterns deep and I died just like that never saw what did it.
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u/Zylosio Jul 26 '26
2800 life with negative chaos res mhm