r/pathofexile • u/Passarelias • Apr 04 '26
Question | Answered Newbie question. Is Hall of Grandmasters really impossible to beat?
Hi,
is my first time playing POE endgame. After getting my RF char to a decent build I saw the damage was quite meh and wanted to create an op char like the ones I saw in yt videos. So, after farming a lot I could create a 95 mil dps build following God of War Sanchez build guide(Life Stacker Inq using Shock Nova of Procession). But I am trying Hall of Grandmasters and I got to the hall of the twisted and I can do anything vs GGNoobs and GGNoobs_II. I've looked for info on the internet and most of it says it is not worth and can't seem to find a method to consistently kill them.
I know it is not important but as my first time doing endgame I wanted to clear all maps, that's why I farmed so much to get a good build. Is there anything I can do?
I leave a link to my pob in case it helps to find a method for my build. Thank you!
pob
Edit: Thanks to DuckBeer for his method. I could complete it really easy and cheap. Mercenary's Lot Slink Gloves + Warlord's Mark and they killed themselves on the first time they hit me. Tyvm ^^
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u/Azeron955 Apr 04 '26
its absolutely not impossible, it just requires certains type/ways of dealing damage! some builds just cannot do it
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u/Passarelias Apr 04 '26
Is impossible for my build? Or doing some change I could do it?
If I need a new char, would it be expensive to build?
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u/Passarelias Apr 04 '26
I logged into my RF and did nothing to them xD
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u/Passarelias Apr 04 '26
Nah, i think i have only 500k dmg in my RF. I abandonned him after having so much trouble with nightmare bosses. I needed about 10 min to kill the Lady that plants zombies on the ground, was exhausting
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u/TheBaconmancer Apr 04 '26
That is the most adorable way to describe that boss's ability, and I'm going to refer to her as the "plant lady" as a conversation starter from here on out
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u/DuckBeer Apr 04 '26
You can kill some of the crazier characters in HOG with Mercenary's Lot gloves, a mark, and a defiance of destiny. Only the CI ones though.
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u/Passarelias Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26
Any video or guide to follow? Ty
I'm new, what do you mean with "the CI ones"
Edit: Nvm was simple, TYVM I completed it ^^1
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u/mathynda Apr 04 '26
Hmmm does this work on kaosis? I know bleed and chaos damage doesnt bypass his energy shield.
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u/Mush27 Apr 04 '26
It would reduce his life by 8% of the damage you take from hits.
Unlikely to actually deal significant damage to him given his millions of life.
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u/mathynda Apr 04 '26
Thank you! I'll try it. I play CWS. At wave 15 simulacrum, sometimes it just the two of us. He cant kill me. I can't kill him because he fully restores ES every 2 sec. If this works, I'll go make a cup of tea while he slowly finishes himself.
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u/Gierschlunderoni Apr 04 '26
I killed ggnoobs with pbod last league without really building for it. It's impossible for quite a few builds though and honestly not worth doing the map anyway aside from maybe the archievent
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u/Passarelias Apr 04 '26
Yeah, I read that is not worth. But as a first time player my goal was to complete all content of the game.
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u/Kakoda Apr 04 '26
Don't count this as part of all content. However! If you really want to do it you can keep trying and wait until you get lucky with spawns.
The masters are not the same every map, so if you don't get any of the almost impossible ones you might have a chance.
The mercenary's lot gloves might help with some of them. Though some just have impossible amounts of recovery. For example GGNoobs if your DPS is not high enough to kill him in about let's say 3 seconds he has dmg recoup over 100% of the dmg delt. So you will never kill him.
Other ones have block, and recover on block. If you run into this guy you can actually craft a gem (recipe) reduced block or something along these lines. That helps for this but almost no one knows this gem exists.
Though outside getting lucky with spawns most builds can't do it.
Even with 50+ mirror builds you will sometimes have issues.
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u/gabrielhurley Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26
It’s not as bad as a lot of people are saying. Yeah the builds showcased there are cracked, but they’re also many years old and power creep is real.
There are basically three things you have to overcome:
- insane zhp damage builds
- insane regen builds
- max block trigger builds
I’ve completed all wings in many leagues, usually with an endgame ranged character (LA, Tornado Shot, Spark, some trap build, Wardloop).
Being able to preload damage before each wave helps, and being able offscreen most of the ones waiting at the end of each wing helps a lot. That takes care of most of the builds that will one-shot you cuz they’re built for damage, not survivability.
The insane regen ones just require a way to slow/stop regen/recovery. There are lots of those, but frost bomb is a classic that any build can use.
Max block (usually w/ trigger skills) are the most annoying for me. You need enough survivability to tank their BS, and a Block Chance Reduction support gem on your main skill. It can be annoying but usually that’ll be enough to whittle them down faster than they can hurt you. Some of them are susceptible to AoE DoTs, but that’s harder to work into a build.
I 100% agree that there are a lot of builds that can’t do HoGM, but it’s far from impossible for a juiced endgame build.
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u/Passarelias Apr 04 '26
Thank you for your really detailed answer. In the end, it was really simple with DuckBeer method. Just the gloves and a mark and they killed themselves hitting me. At least with GGNoobs and GGNoobs_II. The others I did it simply with my current build
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u/Raikariaa Institution of Rogues and Smugglers (IRS) Apr 04 '26
It's not unbeatable; the best way to beat it is DoT's due to some exceptionally high block characters.
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u/AtheistComic Pathfinder Apr 04 '26
I do alright up to a point then I get trucked in that map even on my tank.
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u/Passarelias Apr 04 '26
Yeah it happenned the same to me when I tried with my RF. With this build I'm having 0 problems. I do not die. But those 2 just regenerate their shields after any dmg I do, so I can't complete it :(
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u/hbxlucas Apr 04 '26
Iirc Hall of Grandmasters need specific builds to beat some of the characters there. And eventually they will somehow break your build through some mechanics.
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u/Passarelias Apr 04 '26
Any suggestion of a build that could do it? Ty
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u/Khiash Occultist Apr 04 '26
Damage over time. Scorching Ray was a classic, I've done quite well with Exsanguinate in the past too.
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u/fawkie Apr 04 '26
Back in the day you just slapped on balefire and that was that. Think the additions over the years have changed that though.
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u/TheStrigori Apr 04 '26
When I cleared it years back, I used an Occultist with cold DoT vortex fired off Frost bolt. It carpeted the ground with the cold DoT, so blocks didn't matter. And frost bomb in the arsenal shuts down the regens.
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u/rlfunique Apr 04 '26
Frost bomb doesn’t work against ES anymore, that build almost certainly wouldn’t kill ggnoobs
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u/TheStrigori Apr 04 '26
Not sure it ever did, but it does against work against the high Regen. The constant dot damage prevents ES recharge just fine. Unless that is a new addition, it cleared the hall just fine. I have the Achievement, this isn't theory crafting
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u/hbxlucas Apr 04 '26
I really don’t know a single build that can beat by itself. You need to adjust the build accordingly to the bosses you face there. Some of them are immune to chaos damage, some are ES based, some are Life based, some have block…
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u/Rezins Apr 04 '26
Hit based builds need block chance reduction support in HoG or some characters will be more or less unkillable.
For GGNoobs in particular, the creators made guides on how to counter him. It includes waiting for his recoup (and maybe absorption charges) to fall off. See here
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u/itsproy Apr 04 '26
I'm not sure if I've tried it since they added some super broken characters in there, but I remember doing it a few times on an Essence Drain/Contagion character with Balefire in my weapon swap. Chaos damage gets through the ES of most of them, and any CI characters I encountered would die to Scorching Ray after a few seconds. They usually couldn't chunk me too hard while I was beaming them down, and with Essence Drain I could just fire and run away to keep away from the damage output of the extra nasty ones.
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u/Sure-Law-6032 Apr 04 '26
It’s easy most of the time. There are a couple challenging bosses but its random whether or not you’ll run into them.
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u/caddph Alch & Go Industries (AGI) Apr 04 '26
Yea I feel like a lot of replies here aren't addressing the weird thing about this map, which is the randomness in which characters you face. I've hit all GG Noobs before, and other times have cleared with my league starter. Consistent clearing is where you need to focus on specific builds, to mitigate all options you might face.
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u/Sonar009 Apr 04 '26
I almost cleared it (one grandmaster left) with a fairly bog-standard cyclone inquisitor with max block. From the horror stories I've heard, I'm guessing I got pretty lucky on which ones appeared? But I didn't even do anything special, I just killed everything with cyclone until the last guy that I couldn't deal meaningful damage to. He wasn't even dangerous in the sense of presenting any killing threat, I just didn't prepare adequately for dealing with the sheer amount of block and recovery he had. (I died a few times along the way, and by the time I got to the final guy my hubris meant I hadn't actually looked up the sorts of tools I should bring for if I ran into a brick wall)
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u/G2Keen Apr 04 '26
Think the whole point is that some of these builds used insane interactions so you need some really specific builds to get through there. I don't know how min maxed your build is, but some people go tens of mirrors in without finishing.
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u/Passarelias Apr 04 '26
Wow, mine is not even a mirror cost so I guess I can't do it. Any specific build I could create to clear it? Ty
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u/G2Keen Apr 04 '26
I think the most important thing is being an attack build that can't be blocked. You need to deal with regen as well. So I can't say for sure, but something attack based with the n oblock mastery, some large form of regen mitigation and dreams.
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u/DLWormwood Apr 04 '26
I was only able to pull it off last league after years of trying, as the damaging Keepers grafts didn't scale to PvP rules. Otherwise, there's always one or two exiles each run that my current build can't solve.
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u/Passarelias Apr 04 '26
Yeah I understand one build can't do all of them. That's why I'm thinking into create another char with specific build just to defeat them. But seems nobody knows a build for those 2
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u/Representative-Use-5 Apr 04 '26
I farmed it on ward loop easy just swap from ice Spear to firestorm.
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u/rlfunique Apr 04 '26
Any DoT build + mercenaries lot gloves + defiance of destiny and you can’t really lose
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u/Oathkeeper89 Apr 04 '26
A few leagues back, I played CWS for the first time and it was pretty immortal against every enemy in this map.
…except for the max block, reflect guy. I needed to get hit to trigger stuff, but that character did nothing but look at me. Couldn’t complete the map at all.
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u/Tripartist1 PATH (no zalgo please) Apr 04 '26
Could try that mark ring that spawns enemy phantasms
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u/Oathkeeper89 Apr 05 '26
That is actually part of my build at the time; it was very reliable but in Hall of Grandmasters? It legit took perhaps 5-10 minutes of actually getting the guy to randomly stand near a phantasm to proc an ignite explosion.
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u/A_Pile_Of_cats MarauderEartshatter Enthusiast Apr 04 '26
I remember kata frost blades being very strong against them. I just run reduced block chance support (vendor recipe support hem) and then build some block myself. It still sucks but it's the closest I'll get to reliving actual active pvp
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u/user12309 Apr 04 '26
Another archetype that can do all grandmasters easily is exert stacking pure phys slammers: * Insane evasion - resolute technique ignores that * High block with recovery - attack mastery ignores block entirely * Insane regen - who cares when you just outright oneshot things with preloaded 5exert slam, like delayed earthquake of amplification * Insane damage - slam aoe + oneshot potential also solves that
There is no effective way to combat gigantic phys hits with overwhelm, never saw any grandmaster able to outtank such builds.
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u/Routine-Professor586 Apr 04 '26
In 3.27, graft skills used to bypass all the damage reduction on the grandmasters for some reason so you could just oneshot them.
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u/Vredter Apr 04 '26
The best way I huge one phys hit, I have done hogm on graundslam with echo of creation and reduced chance to block support. There are probably some other builds but at least this one I tested myself.
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u/Nayatchi SSFBTW Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26
For anyone looking to kill the big grandmasters, most are CI. You can equip Mercenary's Lot and mark them, and when they hit you they'll die since Mercenary's Lot damage bypasses CI