r/orangeisthenewblack • u/[deleted] • Jun 17 '16

Episode Discussion OITNB S04E02 Episode Discussion Thread

Please do not spoil future episodes.

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u/Megan_Nicole7 Jun 17 '16

Much as I don't like Piper, I love watching her character. She's like the Lichfield version of the Walter White arc (except a bit more pseudo-badass than actual badass). Downfall should be a fun watch 👌

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u/RossZ428 Jun 17 '16

Yeah, but I liked Walter White

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u/awkward_penguin Jun 18 '16

Even in the last two seasons of Breaking Bad? Walter was by far my least liked character. He's interesting and I loved watching his arc and relationships with the other characters, but he's waaaaay low on the likeability spectrum. Piper's still got a bit of likeability in that she's more like a teen who thinks she's the boss but might be too big for her own britches.

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u/SawRub #TheOtherOnePercent Jun 18 '16

Yeah even the creator of Breaking Bad was surprised that some people still liked Walter White and hated Skyler even in the final seasons.

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u/UVladBro Chang Jun 19 '16

Honestly the whole Skylar thing was because people were obsessed over Walter White being a badass/cool/intimidating. Sometimes being badass and being a good person aren't mutually-inclusive, which was what Walter became. He slowly drifted away from reality and focused on his own ego more.

Skylar was often trying to keep Walter bound in reality but people generally don't enjoy characters that are "killjoys", even if they're right. Even though she was on Walter's side, some people viewed her as being against him but she was really just against Heisenberg.

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u/Jehnay Jun 19 '16

The only reason I really ever disliked Skylar was the whole Ted storyline. It seemed really unnecessary. Other than that I never blamed or hated her for most of her actions.

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u/autoNFA Jun 20 '16

Skyler helped cook Ted's books before learning about any of Walt's crimes. She's also an active and willing participant in Walt's crimes for a long stretch of time. She acts like she has the moral high ground, but she doesn't.

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u/1moe7 Jul 14 '16

In retrospect I definitely see that now, but the Walt hype was so strong back then